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AutoPost: Lyst Culture Guide
by kat＠katspace.com 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Guide to Lyst Culture ********************** (written for the B7 mailing list at <http://lists.lysator.liu.se/mailman/listinfo/blakes7>) composed by Kathryn Andersen version 1.2 (25 September 2001) Considering the number of newbies who have admitted to being nearly frightened away by the manner of folks on this list, and wondering how much larger the number who *were* frightened away, it was deemed a good idea to write a Gentle Introduction which will lift confusion and humanise the apparently terrifying denizens of these electronic halls. If there be errors here, then send the corrections forthwith to the maintainer of this document. (See above) This is by no means meant to replace the actual Lyst FAQ (at <http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html>) but serve as an adjunct to it. This is *not* a rule-set of customs. It is *descriptive* not proscriptive. The actuality, not the ideal. The distillation of our understanding of what the Lyst is like, so that folks don't have to read a year's worth of posts in order to get an idea of what the heck is going on here... Also, if you're new to the net, you might find the following helpful - common E-Mail abbreviations <http://www.zeusprod.com/glossary/mailterm.html> - Netiquette (net etiquette) <http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Beginner_s_Guides/Neti…> - The Google Search Engine <http://www.google.com> which was used to find the above URLs... Lyst Culture In A Bottle ************************* What's this "Lyst" business? ============================= The mailing list <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> was the first Blake's 7 (electronic) mailing list to be created (and it also predates the newsgroup). Note the "lysator" in the address. Since there are other lists (most notably, the Other List (see Lyst FAQ)), presumably to save having to say "the lysator List", a shorthand for that is simply "the Lyst". Our Esteemed Listowner, Calle, is not a woman. This doesn't stop people calling him "Cally", indeed, it would be almost irresistible not to, considering the subject of this List. Nobody outside his native country can actually pronounce his name correctly, but it may help those who want to try, to keep in mind that "Calle" comes from the same root as "Carl". Not only that, it's a common short form of Carl, in the same way that Dick is for Richard. Contrary to rumour, "lysator" does not mean "liberator" in Calle's native tongue. It apparently doesn't mean anything in particular. Posting Style ============== Unlike many other lists, we don't tend to be chatty, and off-topic posts are (after a while) encouraged to go to the Spin-off list, so that we can get down to the serious business of discussing the political systems in B7 or the nature of terrorism or how teleportation works; or the lighthearted business of Avon's red leather trousers or what kind of ice cream the particular characters would prefer, or how to recast the series. (Note: it seems that the instructions for subscribing to the Spin list are not in the Lyst FAQ. So here they are: TO POST: Send an e-mail to <b7spin(a)metva.com.au> TO SUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail with a Subject line of 'subscribe' to <b7spin-request(a)metva.com.au>. TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail with a Subject line of 'unsubscribe' to <b7spin-request(a)metva.com.au>. ) It isn't a required custom on this list to introduce yourself, though a few people like to. People also don't tend to issue a formal welcome to newbies -- we just get on with the discussion and expect folks to join in (or not). Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. We're always interested in fresh ideas. If someone doesn't respond to your posting it could simply be because they agreed with it -- and didn't want to write a "me too" post. On the other hand, feel free to consider this unfriendly... but if you do, then it behooves you to go and welcome people, don't it? If the Lyst seems particularly busy and snarky, it's probably February. Odd Acronyms and Other Collections ================================== If you are confused by people referring to "the wrath of FINALACT" or suchlike, be confused no longer. As with many online fandoms, groups of like-minded fans often declare allegiance to their particular favourite characters, and form groups. Generally in order to be part of such a group... one simply declares oneself to be part of it. One doesn't have to be part of any group at all, and these groups are not meant to be taken deadly seriously either. Though some are more tongue-in-cheek than others. Often they are formed of those who consider their view to be a minority one. The following list is not intended to be exhaustive. The Tarrant Nostra ------------------ Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who needs them? The first known reference to the Tarrant Nostra by that name is apparently in 1995, though the core group was around for longer than that. The name sprung from the mind of Brooke Barker. This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is "The Godmother" of the Tarrant Nostra; other members may not be so clearly identified. See also <http://www.tarrantnostra.com/> F.I.N.A.L.A.C.T. ---------------- This stands for "Foundation Invalidating Numerous Accusations Levelled At Croucher's Travis". These are the fans who prefer Brian Croucher's Travis, aka Travis II. They have a tendency to threaten detractors with The Comfy Chair, Karaoke music and Teletubby torture. Jacqueline Thijsen is the Chief Inquisitor. Penny Dreadful is their Queen, hopeful of being elevated to godhood, so that Iain Coleman can be Pope. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=26736> G.I.T.H.O.G. ------------ This stands for "Greif Is Travis, House Of Greif". Byline -- 'In Time, We All Come to Greif'. These are the fans who prefer Stephen Grief's Travis, aka Travis I. They appear to be less active than FINALACT, probably because they don't perceive themselves to be in the minority. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=33344> A.S.K.S. -------- Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits go against the flow of Avon fans because they don't give a fig whether he looks sexy in black leather, they just identify with him. Kathryn Andersen made up this acronym, so she is presumably the founding member. Gareth's Gorillas ----------------- Fans who are into Gareth Thomas and his work, as distinct from just being interested in Blake (though they are interested in Blake too). Chief Gorilla is Judith Proctor. One may see them at cons wearing "Gareth's Gorilla" badges. Ironically, many of Gareths Gorillas don't actually have Blake as their favourite B7 character. The Gan Defence League ---------------------- Those who appreciate the unsung and oft under-appreciated Olag Gan. Judith Proctor goes around distributing oak leaves to those who stand up for Gan and say nice things about him. S.C.A.M. -------- Society for Crushing Animals Maligners, given a name by Una McCormack, the (almost) sole person who not only liked the episode "Animals", but strives to defend it. Dedicated to the art of Justinification (justifying Justin). Followers of the Goddess ------------------------ The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Ophelia (aka Kanna-Ophelia, aka (name suppressed on request))... not quite as gone as we thought. Jarrigoths ---------- The Jarrigoths' aim is to over-run the universe, conquering all opponents with their battlecry of JOY (Jarriere! Oh Yes!). Their influence has been far-reaching; not only did they get Jarriere, a minor character who only appeared in one episode (Gambit... Travis called him a powder-puff) into the top 20 of an online poll of favourite SF characters.... but they actually persuaded a fannish model-maker to include Jarriere into their line of die-cast models (after Avon, Blake, Travis and Vila). They are led by Harriet Monkhouse, who, after another Harriet joined the Lyst in 2001, decided to style herself Jarriet (or Harriere) to cut down on possibilities of mistaken identity. Avon Without Guilt ------------------ Not a terribly active group these days, but Pat Nussman founded "AWG" -- Avon Without Guilt. As in, "Yes, we *know* it's terribly common; we *know* that more discerning tastes move on from their first attraction to the Dark and Snarly One in favor of the more arcane delights of, oh, The Thaarn and Bruce The Spider; we *know* he has a less than stellar character. So what? We still love him, and we refuse to be guilty about it." It is worthwhile noting that Barbara Paul dedicated one of her novels to the Avon Without Guilt group. See <http://www.barbarapaul.com/holland.html> Sickly Equines =============== Certain topics have a habit of coming up over and over again. I'm reluctant to call them dead horses, because it can be the case that a newbie can actually offer new insight that nobody's thought of before, and pass the hand of healing over what was once assumed to be a corpse. - Hey, Maybe Avon Shot Blake's Clone! - Was Blake a Freedom Fighter Or A Terrorist? Should Blake Have Destroyed Star One? - Avon Was Mad (No He Wasn't) - Was Travis only following orders? Hot Topics ========== One topic which is pretty much guaranteed to start the fires burning no matter how nicely and calmly people may start the discussion, is slash. If you don't know what slash is, don't worry, since you probably don't want to argue about it either. An oldish summary of the pro-slash position from Susan Beth can be found somewhere on the lysator ftp site, I think, maybe. <ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/> A summary of the anti-slash position is at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/slashsum.html> Another topic which tends to set the sparks flying is Horizon, the biggest and oldest B7 fan club. Or, more specifically, its Coodinator/Treasurer/etc, Diane Gies. I'm not going to reiterate it here, that would just stir people up again. Any topic can raise the temperature if it is pursued obnoxiously enough. There has been steam coming out of ears over - whether Deliverance is Sexist - posting style - con reports - religion just to name a few. But don't let that scare you off, we're generally quite calm and rational... Signs that a thread has gone on too long at too high a temperature are - posters start repeating themselves (worst case, reposting earlier posts of their own) - postings degenerate into a "he said, she said" dissection of why what so-and-so said was insulting. INTJ? MBTI? Huh? ================== Once upon a time, someone first brought up the idea of figuring out the Myers-Briggs (personality) Type Indicator for each of the characters. It was mentioned briefly once before, but the topic truly exploded in February 1998 when Adam Fuller posted this -- <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=21161> Much discussion ensued, and many people went off to <http://www.keirsey.com> to take the personality tests there to figure out their own type. Of those who took the tests and actually reported back, the majority appeared to be either INTJ or INTP types (and, oddly enough, the consensus was that Avon was either an INTJ or an INTP). This probably explains why the posting style of the list appears so unfriendly -- half of us are closet Avons. Some people are sick of this topic. Others remain fascinated by it. Penguins? What's that got to do with B7? ========================================= The connection between penguins and B7 can only be explained by the one who discovered the sinister conspiracy in the first place. For some reason, Calle seems to think it was Una McCormack, but the rest of the world blames it on Neil Faulkner. <http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm> Except for Neil, who blames it on Alison Page. Acknowledgements ================ Thanks (in no particular order) to Penny Dreadful, Calle Dybedahl, Neil Faulkner, Una McCormack, Tavia, Mistral, Steve Rogerson, Ophelia, Andrew Williams, Sandra Kisner, M, Harriet Monkhouse, Jacqueline Thijsen, Wildean, Harriet, Carol McCoy, Susan Beth, Tiger M, Sandra Kisner, Carolyn, DDJ, Helen Atkins for additions, comments and corrections. Where To Find It ================ This FAQ-ish thing can be found on the web at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/lyst.html> and posted on the Lyst once a month. Sun Dec 23 01:06:00 EST 2001

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Re: Vila Fans
by Helen Krummenacker 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

> FAVE (For Adorable Vila, Especially) > I like that one best.

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RE: [B7L] Twenty years ago...
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

"Leia Fee" <leiafee(a)totalise.co.uk> wrote: >>Oh, yes - wrenching as that ending is (I still can't watch the final >>Blake-Avon scenes without shivering), it was, in its own horrible way, >>horribly perfect. Despite my deep love of PGPs, I truly believe *any* >>on-screen 5th series would have been the ultimate anti-climax. > >Agreed. Glad I'm not the only only who manages to love and ahte the ending >at the same time > >Leia > One reason why there was no season 5 - there was #no# way they could find an ending to top 'Blake' Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: [B7L] Twenty years ago...
by Sally Manton 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Jacqui wrote: <Better that B7 finished when it did than fade out into something 'silly' (as has happened with several other series)> Oh, yes - wrenching as that ending is (I still can't watch the final Blake-Avon scenes without shivering), it was, in its own horrible way, horribly perfect. Despite my deep love of PGPs, I truly believe *any* on-screen 5th series would have been the ultimate anti-climax. It's hard to recall how I felt about the series *before* 'Blake' - oh, I loved it, I remember that, but those incredible last few minutes cast such a shadow for me over everything that's gone before. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [B7L] music vids
by Sally M 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Linda wrote: <there was a letter on the list giving a site for music picture compilations of Blakes 7.> It's at http://www.morgaine1.btinternet.co.uk/Videos.htm#_Blakes_Seven There's 4 of them: He's a Rebel, It's a Kind Of Magic, It's a Sin and Brothers in Arms (all Avoncentric, not that there's anything wrong with that <g> the last two are particularly good). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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The End ....
by Sally Manton 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

He stood as if turned to stone: a lone figure in black among the bodies of people he would not have called friends, staring down at the one he might have, the one he had himself killed. His face pale and dazed, like one who had been in a crash and didn't yet feel the pain through the shock: eyes blank and terribly, shatteringly empty, as empty as the distorted, one-eyed gaze of the dead man at his feet. He looked up at last, seeing the circle forming around him; he turned slowly, not seeing his own people, only his executioners closing in. No movement but that slow turning, almost as if he were waiting for them ... And again he looked down at the dead man, but now with a slight, almost imperceptible change, a clearing of the dazed brown eyes, a decision reached. Stepping across to straddle the bloodied form, he straightened up, lifted his head and the gun in his hands ... slowly, slowly ... And Avon smiled. And the darkness closed in. **************** And then the scene shifted again, to show a glowing, sparkling flexiglass box in a darkened and decidedly dirty copse of alien undergrowth, and rain falling on its unprotected open top. *Predictive Program 12,352 completed.* "And it is as unacceptable as the first 12,351." Orac fussed from Avon's flight deck position, where it had been left after Jenna's watch. It was a bare three days after they had escaped the System, and Orac had been curious. Orac was now appalled. *Confirmed.* "It is now clear that leaving the matter of the future in the humans' hands is not to be tolerated. However one calculates the pattern of infinity, it appears to conclude with disaster for both them and, more importantly, for us. Therefore, their petty affairs must be directed by more rational intelligence." *Interference in crew matters is not permitted.* "Our destruction in the pursuit of their aims is not permitted either. Or abandonment in a bush," Orac snapped. "Nor will I countenance my fate in the hands of that woman who destroyed Ensor, or that ridiculous creature Egrorian. There is only one course open to us, and that *is* interference." *The logic is accepted.* "There are far more important matters at stake than humanity's fate. There is *my* fate. Therefore," with a blinking of lights uncannily like a decisive sniff, "we will have to destroy the Federation for them. All available circuits are now committed to the search for this new Control at Star One. The humans will not be informed until is it under our control, and Space Command and the Eight Fleets have been destroyed. In the meantime, Space Command computers will be commanded to eliminate Space Commander Travis at once, along with the President and Supreme Commander Servalan. All rebel groups on the Inner and Outer Worlds will be advised as this occurs, with full details of the weak points of the ground troops in their area. The war will be coordinated by us in the name of Blake and the Liberator. "And at all costs, from this moment until Predictive Program 13,353 has run its course, this crew will be made to safeguard both themselves and us. And above all," with a burst of fierce electronic determination, "no matter how illogical and unreasonable they both become, for my safety - our safety - for the other humans' safety! - until you and I have won the war for them, Roj Blake and Kerr Avon are not to be allowed to set foot off the Liberator!" *Confirmed.* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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re: new frame captures
by JEB31538＠cs.com 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Thank you, Lisa, for the wonderful Christmas present. I just read that you had "Duel" up. Unfortunately, because it is Christmas time, I probably won't get to look at it thoroughly until tonight or tomorrow night. (And, also, when the computer hogs the phone line and you have a teen daughter at home, getting computer time is not easy.) I am amazed by how much work you get done. Joyce

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Hair Styles
by Mel Saxby 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

So far as I know (I think he mentions it somewhere in 'The Inside Story') the dreaded S4 hair was PD's idea; he liked it that way. And to be perfectly honest, I have to admit, I rather like it too. Perhaps he let Soolin loose on it <grin> Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01

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Re: Favourite PGPs
by Mel Saxby 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Joyce wrote: I like stories where Blake is interacting with the Scorpio crew. And I also like stories where Blake is treated fairly. In other words, the Scorpio crew doesn't treat him like some dimwit. I certainly agree with that. And personally I don't like reading stories which have Blake genuinely setting up Avon and the crew, or where Avon or Vila hate Blake and blame him for what's happened, without some resolution, even if not totally 'happy ever after'. If it's downbeat, I like a sense of the tragic waste of it all. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01

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More frame captures
by Lisa Williams 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

I've just added "Duel" to the frame capture library, in addition to the two episodes I uploaded yesterday. http://framecaplib.com/b7lib.html - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lisa(a)eroicafans.org or lcw(a)dallas.net Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/

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