Blakes7 February 2001

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Death...
by Nathan Hook 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Betty mentioned the shadow scene with Avon's 'Next please.', and contrasted it as more chilling than the plaxton incident in star drive. Initially I thought there was no contest. The Plaxton scene is worse. Poor old Dr Plaxton was vapourised without a second thought. 'We can outrun that bolt, either way she's dead.' Not even a show of regret or a posthumous thankyou from Avon. Justifiable homocide? The ends justified the means and the ends was life. so the faceless federation guards then. Thats just it, they were faceless and part of the Federation. the enemy. It seems justified to wack off a few to ensure the mission wasn't compromised. They were "just" guards after all, they're paid for that kind of thing. (like tarrant in powerplay and kleggs men) Then I thought...well hold on. That scene in Austin Powers...the guard flattened by the steam roller...and the aftermath. tut tut. Nayte. 'Dudu' said nothing, as/Her talants were of the more silent class.'Byron. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free, BeOS-friendly email accounts: http://BeMail.org/ love and pixels .:. http://dieselsweeties.com/

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Re: [B7L] The Killing of Sister Roj
by Tavia Chalcraft 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Neil asked: >So how come Avon killing Blake is perceived as different, >or at least more important, than all the other violent deaths >that perforate the series? Actually, rewatching the whole series last spring when I finally purchased the videos, the bits that shocked me were Avon's 'Next please' in 'Shadow' and Blake destroying the Ortega and the ship that docked with it in 'Mission to Destiny'. Rewatching the end of 'Blake' just now, the thing that actually disturbs me most is Avon shooting an unarmed and outnumbered Klyn. The series itself takes the death of Gan rather seriously, and there's a lot of fanfic emoting about that or replaying Orbit, so I'm not sure that Blake's is the only death that fans take seriously. Tavia

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What's wrong with Genesis [was Re: The Gospel]
by Harriet Monkhouse 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Fiona wrote: >(a gentle and well-spoken Old Oxonian friend of mine >got savaged online last year for suggesting, with evidence, > that Genesis of the Daleks was two episodes too long) I thought the problem was that it would have been a much better story without the Doctor and his companions in it. Incidentally, I can't think of anything which I would regard as gospel in these parts, apart, perhaps, from "Blake's 7 is quite a good programme"; all of the instances you cite have been hotly debated at one time or another. Harriet

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Re: Minority opinions
by Helen Krummenacker 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

> Avon and Servalan, I imagine, wouldn't provoke a great > deal of debate as the evidence is there in Deathwatch > and Aftermath - although you've provoked a couple of > posts neither of which were of the "Isn't Avon cute" > variety. I know my viewpoint is unusual-- there's no disputing Servalan thought Avon was a hottie, but as far as I can see, he's somewhat amazed by her mind, but disgusted by her personally. He only plays charm with her to use her lust for him against her.

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Ashton7＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In a message dated 2/28/01 3:45:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, Judith(a)blakes-7.com writes: << ie. (this is roughly paraphrasing what he said in explanation of the above) He will not be used in any way in fan disagreements. He will not take sides in any dispute between myself, Diane or anyone else. He does not want to be seen as taking sides in any debate regarding slash or any other issue and does not want anyone to make any assumptions at all regarding his views on anything. >> Good for him! I wish that all actors/actresses in all fandoms would choose to take the high road this way. And I am not referring solely to Blakes 7 fandom, I assure you. I've seen it happen in many fandoms, including soap operas, country singers, and many other media fandoms. It's *always* a mess if the performer chooses to involve themselves *personally* in disputes. It's also one of the reasons that, as much as I *love* fan-run conventions and support them wholeheartedly, I've also come to appreciate the conventions run by groups such as Vulkon and Creation here in America. They aren't near as much fun as fan-run conventions, but there is definitely less opportunity for fan "disputes" revolving around them! Annie

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Re: Dome size (it's what you do with it that counts)
by Pat Sumner 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

From: "Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> Subject: Re: [B7L] Domes > > Its possible that most of a dome is underground, and what we see above is > just the airvent sticking out. In which case they could be quite large. > And the domes could be connected by underground tunnels, so one could travel > from one to the next without the need to go "outside". This fits in with my opinion of them. 'My' domes are on the scale of those in Isaac Asimov's book, The Caves of Steel - their cities were totally enclosed (presumably in domes) and were at the very least the size of our modern cities; some were stated as being much larger. In the books, citizens were not exactly prohibited from going Outside, but had spent so long in their Cities that they suffered from agoraphobia; all but a minute percentage of them would feel physically ill at even the thought of venturing Outside. Transport within the Cities (and between close-lying but discrete cities) was by a sort of moving pavement affair, which operated at varying speeds (up to around 70 miles per hour); one started with slow tracks and progressed up the scale to the expressways. There was also a system of tunnels for the exclusive use of emergency vehicles. Transport between distant cities was also possible, by the use of totally-enclosed aircraft - presumably operating under computer flight co-ordination. The cities were stated as being multi-level (encompassing hundreds of levels); and being enclosed, one would have no way of knowing whether or not one was above 'ground.' The citizens lived under a hierarchical system; as one gained in grade classification, one gained in privileges - private cooking, sanitation or entertainment facilities, for example. The descriptions of the cities, and their (IMO) similarity to the domes in Blakes 7 was what made me interested in these books in the first place. Wildean

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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In a message dated 2/22/01 4:43:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << You know far more about fanfic than I ever will: do you see any evidence of US shows being 'Britannicised'? And if so, does it bother you? >> Abso-bleedin'-loutly. Until a few years ago, it was almost unheard of for an American series or feature to end on a tragic note, without the inevitable happily-ever-after. This was an almost exclusively British or Japanese cultural phenomenon in entertainment media. This is one reason why the ending at Gauda Prime was actually more devastating for American viewers than it was for Brits. I believe there may actually be a set of FCC rules that *required* that Good always win out over Evil by the end of a TV narrative, in the US. I'm not certain if it's still in effect according to Standards or not. For various reasons, we've gradually been seeing more American/Canadian shows with grim, unresolved or ambiguous endings...in other words, closer to reality. I don't believe Americans are unsophisticated enough to handle a dark ending; I just think American producers don't want them to, so they've been feeding them largely nothing but 'feel good' resolutions since the beginning. Now since this isn't really as hard and fast a rule of US movies, I would guess that the TV networks are pandering somewhat to the wishes of the advertisers who produce all the commercials for those shows. They might be afraid to give the audience a downer mood, just before they try to sell them dishwashing soap and a new car. Leah

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RE: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Roberts, Patricia ＠ CSE 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Fiona Moore wrote: "Not to mention in the very first episode (which was banned in the USA for a long time for this very reason), Blake is accused of being a child molestor? If they can mention that, they can mention anything." OK, I'm in the USA and when my PBS station started showing B7, they started with the very first episode. Where was it banned? When? Just curious. Pat

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Adding my voice to the chorus
by Helen Krummenacker 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

(long snippage of internal workings of Avon's mind) > But the one thing he is not is a quitter. > > Neil Character Junkie!

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Horizon and Redemption
by Judith Proctor 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

I'm off list at present (still unable to type much), but I need to comment on this one as it was passed on to me. I started writing a long post and then decided that the only person who could speak for Gareth Thomas was Gareth himself. This is what he said - "I'm very sad that somebody should be citing me who is so obviously unaware. I will not be quoted as a 'fandom wedge' when the BBC and the press are trying hard enough to split us all apart anyway. Please listen before you quote, and never quote out of context." ie. (this is roughly paraphrasing what he said in explanation of the above) He will not be used in any way in fan disagreements. He will not take sides in any dispute between myself, Diane or anyone else. He does not want to be seen as taking sides in any debate regarding slash or any other issue and does not want anyone to make any assumptions at all regarding his views on anything. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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