Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: that cellar scene
by Alison Page 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

>What are people expecting from this sort of encounter? I hope you don't mind me picking this up, but I think this is a very interesting question indeed. Perhaps I'll limit myself to one sentence - the last one that Avon speaks to Anna, after she has died. Excuses for the fact that it won't be word perfect. Her last words to him were 'I let you go' then she dies. Avon says 'Oh, no, you never let me go. You never did.' It's a very unusual line for Avon. Nobody is forcing him to speak out, he has nothing to gain from his words. It's a raw expression of hurt and vulnerability, made spontaneously because his inner pain is so great that he can't help but speak, even though he knows she can't even hear him any more. There's nothing begrudging or cynical about it, and it lacks any sort of posing for effect. The pointlessly, even clumsily, repeated words are a good touch by the writer. So, that would be what I would expect to hear from the actor. I know that's very high-handed of me :-) Like I say, I have a lot of respect for what PD did with Avon: I'd say he was probably the actor most responsible for the success of B7, although ironically there were at least two better actors in the team. That makes his achievement even more impressive, like a famous singer whose voice is a bit dodgy but who has huge stage presence. However I do think this scene was a wasted opportunity. Alison

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak
by Tavia Chalcraft 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Fiona: >I once asked him if he saw any of the gay subtext in >B7 which many fans say they do. He replied that >he detected no sexual tension *at all* between Blake and Avon. >Now,before you say "but the actors weren't gay, so of course >he didn't," this doesn't always read. This could of course be bad acting. I detected no sexual (or any other) tension between Anna and Avon, but put that down to poor acting or at least uninspired casting. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] The Gospel
by Helen Krummenacker 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

> >> -The female characters on B7 are all positive role models > > > Argh. I hope not. Early Jenna and early Cally are good, strong > characters. Soolin is starting to become interesting late in Season > Four. I have never understood Dayna's appeal - can anyone enlighten me? > Well, I like Dayna, but I never considered her a role model, even when I was about the same age. She's got a vitality about her that is often attractive, although her bully-aspects are unpleasent. Like the men in the cast, then, she is a strong combination of good (extremely loyal, lively, self-confident, and expressive) and bad (vengeful, a cruel streak, inclining to act without thinking). As her strengths and weaknesses are often the opposites of her teammates, she adds to the dynamic of the group.

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To apologise or not to apologise
by Sally Manton 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Re Betty's suggestons on why Blake shouldn't be dead ... <I don't want Blake to be dead!> <grin> that's me all right. Liking him as I do (okay, okay, loving him as I do) I simply enjoy stories with Blake far more than without. 'Tis rather harder to have him in the story if he's dead (it has been done, as I recall ...) <A dead Blake may make for a lot of Avon-angst, but a Blake who managed to survive can make for even *more* (with the added extra bonus of Blake-angst!). Not only does the poor bastard have to deal with the fact that he killed Blake (or tried to), but he has to deal with it *in Blake's presence*. > There is also the fact that, for those of us who found the original relationship so fascinating, there are *such* possibilities in the changes that both men have gone through. Avon with his now lethally hard edges, Blake clearly battered and more dangerous than before ... it's got a lot of potential for darkness, but there's still (from the way both act in the tracking gallery) a bond there, even if badly fractured by the shooting ... the possibilities are quite fascinating. One thing that disappoints me about some PGP stories is the way Blake is portrayed as *exactly* the same as he was before (and in some cases taken right back to early first season), instead of the still good but darker and different man on Gauda Prime. And add the sourer, post-Orbit Vila at the side, and you have such a rich playground for people like me. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Shane wrote: > Annie, has it sunk in that both you and Carol have just hurt Fiona's feelings, > from the > sound of it very badly? > > Please, people, let's see some consideration for others before yet another > person unsubscribes from the Lyst in anger. Er... I was taking part in a discussion with Fiona. I assumed that we could have that discussion and disagree without either of us taking it personally. When I saw that Fioana was taking it personally, I stopped participating. It seemed the prudent thing to do. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 7:04:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littles(a)lycos.co.uk writes: << If you accuse me-- who doesn't in the slightest _care_ what direction fandom goes in, so long as it's not hurting anyone-- of trying to control fandom, you are in a sense likening me to Ms Gies. Is it so surprising that I resent the implication? >> <No, I do not blame you for resenting the implication. Thank you for finally explaining what you really meant. The invocation of Diane Gies, out of the blue with no further explanation, made no sense within the context of the conversation. Annie> Thank you for acknowledging my discomfort. However, since you say you've known her for 10-15 years, I'd assumed you would have been familiar with her anti-slash policy. Shane "It's a great pity you and I have always been on opposite sides." --Avon

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 6:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: << No, but it's good to have both perspectives, isn't it? >> Well, no. Most people are in fandom to enjoy themselves. YOu know, to have a good time. That means doing things that they like, reading the fan fiction that they enjoy and maybe writing the fan fiction that they enjoy. Why should a slash fan give a flip what someone who doesn't like slash thinks about slash? Same for any other segment of fandom. You seem to be assuming that h/c fans or slash fans or fill-in-the-blank fans *want* to know why you don't like what they like. Speaking for myself, I don't spend time worrying about that kind of thing and when someone comes along and insists on telling me why they don't like what I like, I'm going to say "You're entitled to your opinion" (and you are!), but I don't really care why they don't like it. I'm going to spend my time, as Carol said, recommending good reading and chatting with those other fans who *do* share my interests (*whatever* they may be). Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 10:45:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mac4781(a)aol.com writes: << I think that's my cue to cut out of this discussion. >> Actually, me, too. There's no point in preaching to the choir and them's that don't "get" it... well, they don't get it. And I don't much care for passive-aggressive behavior. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: To apologise or not to apologise
by Tavia Chalcraft 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

M wrote: >... in Sarcophagus when Avon says you can take my life, >I think he's VERY serious. I think after Anna's death he is >vaguely suicidal/ depressed Be pretty strange if he were not unhappy (though not necessarily depressed, depression is almost defined as unhappiness that *isn't* caused by anything, or is out of proportion to the stimulus). Thoughts of suicide certainly might be expected to make one brave with respect to threats to one's life. I thought the 'gospel' explanation for Avon's words to the Cally alien was simply that the alien had absorbed part of Cally's consciousness/character, and Avon was therefore trying to push it towards an action that Cally would resist because of feelings (of whatever nature) for Avon. That is, that Avon was bluffing. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] To apologise or not to apologise
by Sally Manton 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Please note, all the following is I-the-HO of a someone you all know is unabashedly biased.

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