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Re: [B7L] re: Deliverance and Jan B
by Marian de Haan 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Nathan Hook wrote: >Jan, you forgot something with regards to Avon being the natural choice. the nose. That big Roman nose of his < A *Roman* nose? Roman noses are supposed to be hooked. Avon's is perfectly straight :-) Marian

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Rotas
by Dana Shilling 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

This follows up on some comments of Sally's, mentioning the "dining room" offhand (and asking if Avon could get the computers to produce decent coffee--I'd say this is a two-part question--I'm sure he could, to his specifications, but I don't think extra-dark-roast espresso is particularly popular with anyone else in the crew). I do tend to think of Blake at least trying to establish regular meals in the interest of crew cohesion. There are a couple of problems with that, including the crew. In canon, there are an implausible number of instances when they're all awake at once-- although of course it's all hands on deck during a space battle, wouldn't the normal pattern be two people on watch, two sleeping, and two having a rest session (or one, post-Gan)? And that means that whoever just woke up probably wouldn't feel like tucking into steak-and-kidney pie even if it IS dinner time for four other people. I don't know why, but for some reason I always think of the kitchen and dining room as either being behind Zen or on the right, mirroring the corridor that we can see to the left of Zen in the usual flight deck shot. In Horizon, we learn that the ship has enough concentrated food for a thousand person-years, but that doesn't mean that that's what they eat--those could be just back-up emergency supplies. Actually, considering the size of the ship, not only could they have a hydroponic farm, they could probably keep livestock--chickens or rabbits, at the least. BTW, I think it's significant that there are many instances when the crew are shown consuming beverages, but at no time are they having a proper sit-down meal, although the bad guys do at least twice I can remember (Moloch and Traitor). -(Y)

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Re: [B7L] Re:Deliverance
by Ellynne G. 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:26:15 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> writes: > > But then, I'm strongly against casual abortion. > > Ellynne, I have never met anyone who was in favor of it. Unfortunately, I have. Aagh. I am getting more political on this than I care to be. First, I don't think Meegat was left to die although I do think the Liberator should have made some effort to get her and her people off if the environment was bad for them. I have mixed feelings about whether they tried or whether Meegat and her people would come (also, I wonder what Avon's line implying Meegat no longer thought of him as a god meant. Maybe he did mess up the whole divinity image by offering her a chance off the planet that violated her personal mythos?). > > However, this is the one area in which I can really see some grounds > to > complain about Deliverance. The writer seems to prioritize the gene > banks of potential lives ahead of Meeghat who is alive right now. I've possibly got an overly developed protective attitude toward little kids in general and a reasonably strong sense of abstract duty to people who may not be alive anymore/yet (I had a class once where I argued my point on The American for several minutes before realizing none of the other people in class understood my underlying premise - what moral obligations Newman had to a dead man he'd never met [well, I _thought_ it was common cultural baggage]). I just know that, if someone gave me a chance to save my species and people, I'd probably take it. I hope that, even if it was at the cost of my own life, I'd still take it. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Tavia Chalcraft 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Fiona wrote of Meegat: >So what you're saying is, Avon's not going to take her >along unless she's of practical use to the crew? Let's face it, if she's got to at least late 20s where she is, her life expectancy's likely to be considerably longer than that of the Liberator crew. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Replying to Mistral, Fiona wrote: <Not disagreeing with you on that, but I have a problem with saying that power doesn't enter into gender relations.> I don't think Mistral was saying that, but (if I read it correctly?) that *gender* doesn't *always* enter into power issues, and in not always the defining issues *in* all power issues. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance: pehguins
by huh＠ccm.net 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful(a)powersurfr.com> >I reckon one could formulate a Lyst-specific instantiation of Godwin's Law >simply by substituting "red leather trousers" for "Nazis". Hmmm... No, I'm not the best person to lob that particular bomb at the Deliverance thread...More harm than good, and all that... Regards Joanne (Ms Dreadful, on the other hand, seeing as it is her idea, patent pending...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] re: Deliverance and Jan B
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> >A *Roman* nose? Roman noses are supposed to be hooked. Are, rather than "are supposed". I have reason to know this. >Avon's is perfectly straight :-) Which is a minor irritation, at least to me <frown> Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> >As for wanting to keep you sane... do you filk better sane, or not? <raises other eyebrow> Now there's a good question... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >I think it represents a penguin. Yeah, the one in Melbourne being treated for depression, most probably. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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