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Re: Ethics and Hal Mellanby (was [B7L] zine editing)
by Fiona Moore 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

>From: "Jenny Kaye" <jennycat55(a)hotmail.com> > >Carol Hondo wrote > >>At 10:37 30/03/01, you wrote: >> >Carol wrote: >> > >> >> >Is everyone as grateful as you, that is the point? >> >> >> >>IMHO, in a word, YES!!!!! >> > >> >Oh well, if you want to look at porn, however unethically and >>hurtfully >> >produced, then I'm not one to stop you. >> > >> >Shane >> > >> >"You're pathetic!" --Blake >> >> >>"I seldom comment on other people's ethics." - Avon >> >>Sorry, couldn't resist, as soon as I read this reply >>to my post, this scene from Aftermath sprung to mind :-) > >Considering who said that, and what happened to him, and what >happened to >the man he was talking to, that's ironic. > >Jenny Let's deconstruct that scene from Aftermath, in view of this remark. In this scene, Dayna is arguing with her father. He won't let her use fatal weapons against the Sarren; she points out that they have been designing weaponry intended to kill, and asks what the point is of making such weaponry and not using it, effectively accusing her father of being a hypocrite. She appeals to Avon for support, and he says "I seldom comment on other people's ethics"-- meaning not that he has not *formed* an opinion of Mellanby's ethics, but that he is not going to comment on whether or not Mellanby's decision is hypocritical-- a wise decision, since at the moment he is dependant on Mellanby for food and shelter. Later on, however, we learn a bit more about Mellanby's ethics. Mellanby led a revolt which took the Federation three weeks to suppress; his wife and friends died in the process. He survived, it is not clear how, other than that he had "a chance of saving Dayna" and took it-- and that Servalan asks him whether he feels guilty. Servalan would not say this had she not believed that this remark would hit home, all of which imply that there could be something ethically suspect in his having survived-- his attempt to justify this in terms of saving his daughter rings a bit hollow, considering that he was apparently well prepared to sacrifice the rest of his family in the revolt. In addition, Servalan calls him a coward; this term has a double meaning for the viewer, as it could refer not only to his sacrifice of the rest of the group, but his failure to face up to his actions later. One might also ask, like Dayna, just why Mellanby thinks he is doing making weapons of destruction at all. Why not confine himself to nonfatal weaponry, or turn his talents to something less destructive. If Mellanby thinks he can control the release of the weaponry; he is kidding himself; he can't even stop his daughter running riot with a bow and arrow (and you can bet those aren't nonfatal arrows). What is he going to do-- hand out his armoury saying "don't use this to kill anyone" to every person who takes a gun? Furthermore, when he realises that he is now free to leave the place where he has been in exile for fifteen years, he can't think of any place to go--which begs the question of what he has been doing all these years. Passively sitting around raising his daughters and tinkering with guns? Not thinking about the future, of how to carry on what he has begun? Not even considering the possibility that he might have another chance someday? Doesn't speak well of him as a member of the resistance, it must be said. So when Avon remarks that he never comments on anyone's ethics, the comment is made by this very exclusion. Mellanby's ethics may seem to be pure, selfless and pacifist-- but this obscures the fact that Mellanby's actions betray his selfless and pacifist line. Avon may not directly call Mellanby a hypocrite, but through the course of the episode, his actions speak louder than Avon's words. Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Running guns to the rebels at http://nyder.r67.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Chronicles
by Judith Proctor 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Julia forwarded Tavia's comments re Chronicles to me. I'll e-mail Susan and ask her if she'd like me to agent Chronicles. I used to get it via Linda Knights, but she no longer stocks it. I imagine Susan will only have the most recent issues though. Judith PS. I've now got copies of Parodies Lost in hand. I've also got Forbidden Star Three, Erogenous Zine and can get ttba and The Way Forward (though copies of TWF may be delayed a couple of weeks). -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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free lunches
by Deborah Day 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- I think a perhaps little confusion has arisen between tanj (from Ringworld etc) and tanstaafl as they are a little similar. There ain't no justice. Debbie

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RE: [B7L] zine editing
by Jenny Kaye 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Carol Hondo wrote >At 10:37 30/03/01, you wrote: > >Carol wrote: > > > >> >Is everyone as grateful as you, that is the point? > >> > >>IMHO, in a word, YES!!!!! > > > >Oh well, if you want to look at porn, however unethically and hurtfully > >produced, then I'm not one to stop you. > > > >Shane > > > >"You're pathetic!" --Blake > > >"I seldom comment on other people's ethics." - Avon > >Sorry, couldn't resist, as soon as I read this reply >to my post, this scene from Aftermath sprung to mind :-) Considering who said that, and what happened to him, and what happened to the man he was talking to, that's ironic. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #322 - 18 msgs
by Steve Rogerson 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Jarriet wrote: > The complete rewrite of B7 with 52 appearances by > Jarriere will appear... er... in a few years... Should be a zine worth buying. Try to get it out by February 2003 -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] looking for a home for you fanfic or artwork?
by Tavia 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Carol 'Hondo' asked: >Is it just the cost that does not make it easy from the UK please? I tend to buy zines from Judith Proctor, who seems not to agent Chronicles these days? And I'm a bit chary of putting cash into international post, especially not being 100% sure of the price for dispatch to the UK (and if you take cash in sterling -- whilst I tend to have a stash of US dollars around for business reasons, I don't imagine all UK fans would be in the same position). >As for Chronicles, well it has been around for many a year now, >and I have seen stories that are based on humour, drama, light >romance, character driven, dark elements, AU, just about everything. Thanks for the info. (It's interesting that the zines I've seen from different publishers all have very different 'flavours' despite in many cases having essentially similar submission guidelines.) Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Fanfic on the Lyst?
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/30/01 1:53:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carolyn772(a)aol.com writes: << >>Am I wrong? Are there a lot of people on just the Lyst who might enjoy apiece of fanfic now and then?>> Count this as one "yes!" vote. Leah

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Re: [B7L] leaving the lyst
by Rita d' Orac 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Jenny Kaye <jennycat55(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Calle wrote: > > > >>>>> "Harriet" == Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> > >writes: > > > > > Can we spread the word? > > > >Sure, although it may be a good idea to wait a day or three to see if > >Shane is the sort of person who'll send a long, emotional going-away > >letter and then not go away after all. > >-- > > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | > >calle(a)lysator.liu.se > > The void faerie hungers for new toys. > > > If you two keep this up, then I'm unsubscribing as well. > > Jenny me too. ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [B7L] looking for a home for you fanfic or artwork?
by Carol & Gordon 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Greetings Tavia, Wow this must be the most prolific I have been in over twelve months :-) At 15:51 30/03/01 +0100, you wrote: >Carol 'Hondo' wrote: >>Not sure if I am overstepping the line with this post. > >Can't speak for Calle, but seems useful to this reader. More than one >person has approached me of late to ask whether there are any zines >currently taking submissions, so it seems to fill an information need. Thank you, I know Susan and Andrew would appreciate it if you could mention Chronicles and TOS to any interested parties. :-) >One thing I'd personally be interested in (as a potential contributor) -- >what kind of things do the editors of Chronicles and The Other Side >actually *like* ? (Feel free to tell me to buy a copy or five, but bear in >mind that isn't as easy as all that from the UK... >Tavia Is it just the cost that does not make it easy from the UK please? Sorry for seeming nosey but I am new to this and if I don't know of any problems I can't look for any solutions. If you don't mind Tavia, It might be wise of I take the discussion on content for TOS over to FC ( Tiger has asked me to post the call for submissions there, anyway ). As for Chronicles, well it has been around for many a year now, and I have seen stories that are based on humour, drama, light romance, character driven, dark elements, AU, just about everything. Of course gen only, any serious adult or slash content will relegate the story to TOS.. Larger stories are either serialized or saved for double or triple issues ( which come out occasionally ) Poetry, articles, reviews, have all made the print in past issues.. But Andrew is lurking around the lyst here somewhere, and as he is the current editor it might be better if I let him tell you what he is looking for for the future rather than what has passed muster in the past.. Andrew... Front and centre, please :-) Carol 'Hondo' CaraZines.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Chronicles 65 (and also 67)
by Carol & Gordon 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Joyce wrote with regards to Chronicles: >Email Andrew at awilliams(a)daikin.com.au and Carol at >storm(a)catchnet.com.au for more information. From what I've read so far >on Lysator, it appears Carol is the one to Email first. However, I do know >that Andrew does take the electronic submissions for Chronicles---whether >your story has Blake in it or not. > >Joyce Andrew is at present the editor of Chronicles ( and doing a smashing job of it, I might add ). Submissions can be made direct to Andrew. I am acting as Susan's agent taking orders not only for Chronicles but for all of the fanzines she published, regardless of fandom, and for all the fanzines she had in stock from sources such as Bill Hupe, etc. Susan has so much on her plate at the moment that she couldn't give everything the proper attention, so I have tried to relieve some of the pressure ( not that it is that much, but it has left her schedule a little less crazy now). Of course you can send submissions and LOC's to me as well, but I just pass them on to Andrew or Susan depending on content, they are the ones who make the decisions and do all the hard work.. :-) Hope that clarifies things a little.. Oh yes and watch out for our next round of auctions, my ebay user name is 'ltcolhondo' ( yes I know it should be CaraZines but I already had this account active for the fan club I run for another fandom, SAAB. Sorry for any confusion ), there is a few Blake's 7 items to be listed.. Many Thanks Carol 'Hondo' CaraZines.

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