Blakes7 March 2001

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Lost in France ...
by Fiona Moore 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> >Canon - no. There _really_ isnt such a thing, > its a figment on each >person's >imagination. We all do genuinely _see_ different things on the >screen, I'm >convinced of it Well, no. We don't genuinely *see* different things on the screen, except in the case of occasions when one person is watching a cut-down version and the other one isn't. When I watch "Games," I see exactly the same visual images that Neil sees when he watches "Games," that Una sees when she watches "Games," that my flatmate sees when he wanders into the room and asks "what are you watching *now*?" That's the canon. If it were possible for two people to watch the same videotape and see different images... well, video manufacturers would be doing a landoffice business :). It seems to me that when you are using the word "see," you are using it in the sense in which other people on the thread have been using the word "interpretation." And there I *would* agree with you: two people can see the same images and come up with wildly divergent interpretations. But that's a different issue entirely. >(How many times have you thought "which show was >_that_ >person watching? I know I have, and I'd be surprised if anyone at >all hasnt >thought it about me.) I have, but I generally haven't meant it literally... :) > With apologies to H D "when I use canon, it is >exactly >what I see, no more and no less." Yes, exactly. But "seeing" and "interpreting" are two different acts, and I'm not sure but they may have gotten confused here? >And I like it that way ... its >much more >fun to have ,y own input into the show. But nobody is denying anybody's right to interpretation here-- at least *I'm* not, and I'd be deeply upset if anyone else was. >it; were I to see it like Neil, Fiona, Kathryn, Carol ... anyone >else, I >possibly wouldnt enjoy it, because I aint them and arent looking for >the >same things. If you did see it like me, then quite conceivably you would enjoy it, cos you'd be seeing it like I did :). Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane See it for yourself at http://nyder.r67.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [B7L] Chronicles #65
by Mac4781＠aol.com 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Carol "Hondo" Burgess wrote: > Susan and Joanne have just dropped off a few copies of Chronicles 65, > from the first print run.. ( amongst other goodies :-) ) <snip> > Cost of the zine plus airmail postage is US $6.00.. Carol, thanks for the information. And, Andrew, thanks for the clarification that this is the printed version of Phoenix 4. I definitely want it (it's much easier than doing formatting/layout/printing myself :). Where do I send the $6.00? Carol, I'll put information on Chron 65 and the call for submissions for future zines in the next issue of the Tarrant APA (due out in May). Carol Mc

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RE: [B7L] zine editing
by Shane Little 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Carol wrote: > >Is everyone as grateful as you, that is the point? > >IMHO, in a word, YES!!!!! Oh well, if you want to look at porn, however unethically and hurtfully produced, then I'm not one to stop you. Shane "You're pathetic!" --Blake Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Chronicles No.65
by Andrew Williams 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Carol 'Hondo' Burgess wrote: >Susan and Joanne have just dropped off a few copies of Chronicles 65, >from the first print run.. ( amongst other goodies :-) ) > >55 pages >Contents: >Forward by Narrelle M. Harris. >Editorial. >The Story So Far. >The Key by Narrelle M. Harris. >Recovery by Narrelle M. Harris. >Interlude - Maret by Shayne McCormack. >Letters of Comment. As the current guest editor of Chronicles I would just like to point out that this issue is the dead tree version of Narrelle M. Harris's "Phoenix 4" webzine which is available on-line for free. The printed version has a few extra bits, but nothing substantial (Tricia's Blake cover illo is particularly good). I hope you buy the zine, but I wouldn't want anybody to be mislead into getting something they may already have. Issue 66 is almost complete but I am waiting for some LoCs to appear to finish it off. Issue 67 is in the planning stage and due to popular demand (votes by Joyce, Joyce, Joyce, and someone called J.Bowen) we would like to make it a Blake-oriented issue. So if you have any gen stories looking for a home, please feel free to send them our way, particularly if they feature Blake. All contributors get a free copy regardless where you are in the world (offer not available to lunar residents). Chronicles is a long-running, Australian-based zine and contains twice the minimum number of typos required by law. Regards, Andrew.

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looking for a home for you fanfic or artwork?
by Carol & Gordon 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Greetings, Not sure if I am overstepping the line with this post. If I am Calle, please give me virtual slap on the wrist and I won't do it again, promise .. If you are looking for a home for any of your fanfic, poetry, artwork etc please consider either CHRONICLES or BLAKE'S 7: THE OTHER SIDE. Here's a short message from Susan and Joanne: Both CHRONICLES (gen) and TOS (Adult and or Slash) accept fiction, non-fiction (reviews/articles) and poetry as well as art. The art should be in the form of a jpg or a good photocopy. We don't want originals which are apt to be lost in the post or damaged. We accept material electronically and in hard copy. preferably the former. With Chronicles we will accept short stories or novellas to 50 pages. Anything longer than that would be held over to a double or triple issue. They don't come out very often at all. And, we prefer not to have s/m in TOS. We will print adult and slash. We reserve the right to edit minor things (such as spelling) in the stories, but will consult with the author... especially if it means rewritting a sentence or more. If we can communicate electronically, then a copy of the edit is sent for mutual approval of the editor and author. Issues come out whenever since we both have Real Lives and Disasters and try our best to be polite, acknowledge what we receive and keep sending correspondance when we can. Verbal debates in lettercols is encouraged. Anyone who contributes gets a free copy. If a substantial contribution is given, then we'll negotiate some more. If you are interested, please email me offlist at <storm(a)catchnet.com.au> and I'll send you the relevant addresses to send your submissions for each zine. Thank you for your attention, end of commercial break we now return you to your scheduled programme. TTFN Carol 'Hondo' CaraZines.

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Chronicles #65
by Carol & Gordon 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Greetings, Susan and Joanne have just dropped off a few copies of Chronicles 65, from the first print run.. ( amongst other goodies :-) ) 55 pages Contents: Forward by Narrelle M. Harris. Editorial. The Story So Far. The Key by Narrelle M. Harris. Recovery by Narrelle M. Harris. Interlude - Maret by Shayne McCormack. Letters of Comment. Art (plenty of it ) Tricia Ostwald x 3 plus the lovely Blake on the front cover. Val Westal x 5 plus a smashing Avon on the back cover. Cost of the zine plus airmail postage is US $6.00.. Sorry due to a change in PAYPAL policy I can no longer accept payment via paypal. Also, due to the high banking fees here in Australia I cannot accept IMO's or checks.. Payment in cash only I am afraid.. Please email me off list for my address.. Many thanks.. Carol 'Hondo' Burgess CaraZines.. Agent for Susan Batho. Agent for Annie Hamilton.

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RE: [B7L] zine editing
by Carol & Gordon 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>But what sort of pictures do the others do, may I ask? very nice ones thank you very much. >Is everyone as grateful as you, that is the point? IMHO, in a word, YES!!!!! >Shane Carol 'Hondo'

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Re: [B7L] leaving the lyst
by Shane Little 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Joanne wrote: > >(in an evil mood because she doesn't think Kathryn, emma, etc. going away > >and Shane staying is much of a bargain) I don't know about emma, but it appears that the reason why Kathryn left was because of Annie and Leah's totally unprovoked and quite shocking attack on her Christian beliefs. Please note that when Kathryn voiced her opinions on homosexuality I did not respond at all. And I only responded to Steve just now because he asked a question. Shane Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re: [B7L] "That" issue
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/29/01 10:53:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, mistral(a)centurytel.net writes: << Well, yeah. That's one of the things I _like_ about the lyst. And I would hope that lyst members of all faiths (orientations, races, nationalities, class, etc.) would feel free to bring the perspective their backgrounds to bear on the discussion when applicable. But then, I think it's _interesting_ when people are different. I find it a reason to _start_ conversations with them, not a reason to _stop_ them. >> Absolutely...keeping in mind, of course, that it might be politic and respectful to guard against making judgements based in one moral philosophy that might risk being perceived as condemnation or critique by another. Leah

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Re: [B7L] "That" issue
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/28/01 2:22:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, mistral(a)centurytel.net writes: << Well, not meaning to offend, but I am genuinely puzzled - do you not find there to be a difference between saying an _action_ is wrong, and saying a _person_ or group of people is sick? << This eye of the beholder thing isn't really difficult, if you can step outside your little room for a moment. Let me try to make you understand. Please do *not* be offended by what I'm about to say; this is not meant to offend, it's my *reality*. I was born and raised a Jew, in an orthodox Jewish community. In 'my' community, Christianity is not just another religion. It's regarded as a malevolent sickness that afflicts many people in the Western world, and aggressively tries to recruit anyone who will not see the world the way its members do. The symbol of this religion is a cadaverous dead Jew on a stick. At every historical opportunity, including a massive example only 5 decades past, followers of this religious and moral belief system have had no problem with facilitating massive amounts of dead Jews, for no other reason than a 2 thousand year old legend about some Jews who caused the death of an apocryphal character they claim was the son of God. This strikes us as very funny, since it's common knowledge that the Romans did the actual killing of this mythical character, but the Romans cannot be persecuted, because they were the guys who had the poor judgement to adopt, promote and force this religion on the rest of Western Civilization over the next few centuries. Since then, more blood has been shed 'in the name of God' than any other cause. More torture. More looting. More warfare. More persecution. More massacres. More annihilation of native and indigenous cultures. All because the souls who embraced the cross felt themselves morally superior to those beings who had not. If there *had* been a Jesus, how do you think he would feel about this? Who would he choose to embrace, if he made that much-touted return? Perhaps that's what was meant by the meek inheriting the Earth. I know to you that sounds ironic at best and disgustingly sacreligious at worst, but that is ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW, and a very real one. It is a form of empthy, one that is totally discounted by the Christian doctrine because it's *dangerous* for members of an autocratic, aggressive prosthelitizing faith to empathize with the people and the belief system of others. Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, and followers of many other faiths reside among us on this list. They have their own faith system, each of which has its own problems, some of them the very same as Christianity. Ignoring them or discounting their opinions doesn't make them go away. Disparaging a different point of view on a moral issue, like a form of sexuality that offends Christians, isn't going to make it go away, nor is it going be 'wrong' to someone who isn't a Christian. Contrary to what you've been told, you can't pretend the whole world is Christian, with the same lines drawn over acts, beliefs and morals. That is not reality...it's a fairy tale. >>Because every time this sort of issue comes up, it just floors me. We all do things that other people think are wrong. If I cheated on my income tax, I'd consider that I'd done something immoral; I certainly wouldn't consider that I was sick. Those two concepts are poles apart to me. << If the subject were stealing, or murder, you would have a good parallel here. The issue is what other people do in the privacy of their own bedroom, with mutual consent. Christianity seems to obsess on this topic to the point of mania. And mania is a form of sickness. Why does what two consenting adults do in a bedroom have ANYTHING to do with the price of tea in Rome? Who appointed the members of this faith sexual watchdogs on what sexual acts are and are not morally acceptible? Why don't they ban sex between heterosexual couples who are unable to have children? They can't procreate, so they must be doing it just for pleasure and affection. Isn't that a 'sin'? >>As I sit here eating my turkey sandwich and reading my lyst mail, I come across a post from Neil. Now, I know Neil thinks it's immoral for me to eat my turkey sandwich - but I don't assume that he thinks I'm a sick and evil person because of it. He might, but I'm not going to jump to that conclusion, because it isn't productive, fair, or kind; and if I did jump to that conclusion, my upset would be my own doing, not his.>> Annie's comments were an attempt to make certain lyst members see the parallel between telling other lyst members that a certain category of fanfic is sick and offensive and how it looks from the other side. You may think it's immoral to read or perform the acts in a piece of slash fanfic; but you don't assume everyone else believes as you do. You don't jump to that conclusion, because it isn't productive, fair, or kind; if you did jump to that conclusion, your upset would be your own doing, not anyone else's (your own words above). Perception. Empathy. Respect. Stretch open the door in that little room a bit. Leah

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