Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: zine editing.
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Shane wrote (snipped involved in Dr. Who zines 10-15 yrs ago) Julia ><grins evilly> Right, we've got him, he's publicly admitted to editing >experience. > >Shane, how would you like to edit a Blake's 7 anthology zine? Yes, I'm >perfectly serious and not just pulling your leg, the good Citizens will >confirm that. Given the current burnout rate, another editor who >believes in editing as well as publishing would not go amiss. Nor would >another take on zine format. I will admit to personal interest in this - >I think I might like a B7 zine edited to your tastes, going by what >you've been saying. Shane (28 Mar 2001 07:43:54 0000) Well, I'm very flattered, Julia, I have to say. Unfortunately, I'm just about to start a new job, and I don't know how much work it's going to take. If the offer's still there in six months, let's talk :). David I might try editing a zine, Julia. I have no experience editing nor publishing. With the change from warm weather to cool in my part of the world, it suits me to pursue intellectual things for six months. DC http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=45892

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RE: [B7L] zine editing
by Carol & Gordon 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

At 10:37 30/03/01, you wrote: >Carol wrote: > >> >Is everyone as grateful as you, that is the point? >> >>IMHO, in a word, YES!!!!! > >Oh well, if you want to look at porn, however unethically and hurtfully >produced, then I'm not one to stop you. > >Shane > >"You're pathetic!" --Blake "I seldom comment on other people's ethics." - Avon Sorry, couldn't resist, as soon as I read this reply to my post, this scene from Aftermath sprung to mind :-) Carol 'Hondo'

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Re: [B7L] leaving the lyst
by Jenny Kaye 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Calle wrote: > >>>>> "Harriet" == Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> >writes: > > > Can we spread the word? > >Sure, although it may be a good idea to wait a day or three to see if >Shane is the sort of person who'll send a long, emotional going-away >letter and then not go away after all. >-- > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | >calle(a)lysator.liu.se > The void faerie hungers for new toys. If you two keep this up, then I'm unsubscribing as well. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Syndeton Experiment Review, part one
by Fiona Moore 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

Well, you lucky people, you're getting two for the price of one here... Joanne's question about "classic sci-fi" got me thinking, and so I've been and gone and written a second review addressing that question. It's kind of rough, but I hope both reviews will throw out some points for discussion. BTW, I have to say with regard to Julia's post that I heard the Steven Pacey "Childhood's End" before I saw B7, and, while I haven't heard it in years, I thought it was fantastic. A REVIEW, AND REVIEW OF REVIEWS, OF THE SYNDETON EXPERIMENT Having recently listened to The Syndeton Experiment again (following a period of a year and a half's mental recuperation from the last time), it was rather interesting to compare the contemporary reviews on Judith Proctor's website with my own impressions. Having read the reviews, it seems that the general opinion on The Syndeton Experiment can be summed up as follows: 1) that it is better than The Sevenfold Crown 2) that Servalan was appallingly characterised, 3) that Paul Darrow's performance was one of the best things about the production, 4) that the performances and characterisations of Soolin and Dayna, while an improvement on those in The Sevenfold Crown, were not up to the standards presented in the TV show, 5) that the doubling-up of main cast members in minor roles was confusing for the audience, 6) that the production was a bit cheap 7) that it was time that Barry Letts stopped writing and gave someone else a chance, 8) the reduction in length of the story was a good thing 9) the plot left something to be desired, 10) that giving detailed descriptions of what was wrong with the production would somehow cause Barry Letts to do a better job the third time around. The generally positive tone of the reviews was interesting, given that most of the people with whom I have spoken seemed to be more positive about The Sevenfold Crown than about The Syndeton Experiment. This discrepancy can be explained by considering that most of the reviews were written at a time when a third audio was still a possibility; consequently, most of the reviewers seem to be trying to make positive noises in order to encourage the BBC to commission more stories, but also to be keenly aware of the flawed nature of the production. It is interesting that most of the reviews made some comment to the effect that they felt that some of the improvements made within the story were due to Letts having listened to fans, perhaps in the hope that he would do so again to better effect. Unfortunately, the reviewers were up against rather more than simply a writer unfamiliar with the series' conventions. At the time, several factors conspired to hamper the chances of there being a third audio production. Firstly, both Syndeton Experiment and Sevenfold Crown were played on Radio 4, however, The Sevenfold Crown had more publicity surrounding it, and in addition did not go out opposite the Grand National. Secondly, while the reviews of The Sevenfold Crown in the non-B7 fan press were fairly positive, the reviews in the B7-fan press were scathing, a fact which did not go unnoticed either by the BBC or by the customers who might have given the second audio a chance had they not had their fingers burned by The Sevenfold Crown. Consequently, while in terms of sales figures The Sevenfold Crown was one of the most positively received BBC audios of all time, the sequel ranked somewhere alongside Colin Baker reading "Attack of the Cybermen" on tape, and it is this, coupled with the fact that the Radio 4 controller of the time was not very keen on science fiction, which caused the BBC to veto any further Lighthill/Letts audios. In retrospect, however, this purely financial decision was probably the best one for fans' enjoyment of the series. There is no way one can turn Barry Letts into Chris Boucher, and the script of The Syndeton Experiment demonstrates this amply. Letts' difficulty with writing female characters as strong, intelligent adults, excusable in a Doctor Who script, shows up badly in a script written for a series well-known for its powerful female figures. The mix of frivolity and sadism which Letts brought to his Doctor Who audios is very much in evidence here, with the incineration of two million people suddenly hauled into a race-to-obtain-yet-another-piece-of-technology runaround. The plot contains all the ingredients of B7, and yet somehow lacks the vital spark to bind them all together; quite likely because Letts has neither seen Series 1-3 nor has the guidance of an editor with a keen eye for continuity and tone. The cast, furthermore, seem to pick up on this; in contrast to earlier reviewers, I felt that Paul Darrow was particularly lacklustre, sounding as though he was mailing his performance in by carrier pigeon, and the less said about poor Jacqueline Pearce the better. Only Michael Keating seems to come out of the story all right, possibly because Letts always seems to be at his best when writing for comical or childlike figures. However, B7, while full of wit and humour, has always relied upon strong plotting and characterisation to carry the day, and consequently it seems to have been a good thing that the Lighthil/Letts vision of the series was arrested before it could take any further turns for the comedic. We all love Blakes' 7, but Blakes' 7 at any cost is not a price worth paying. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [B7L] Fanfic on the Lyst?
by Ashton7＠aol.com 31 Mar '01

31 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/30/01 1:53:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carolyn772(a)aol.com writes: << HOT DAMN!! ummm.., I mean, yes, there are probably several of us who would enjoy some fanfic. >> Since fan fiction has always been one of my favorite parts of fandom, I would love to see fan fiction of a gen nature here. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Fanfic on the Lyst?
by Carolyn772＠aol.com 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>>Am I wrong? Are there a lot of people on just the Lyst who might enjoy apiece of fanfic now and then? HOT DAMN!! ummm.., I mean, yes, there are probably several of us who would enjoy some fanfic. Carolyn

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Re: [B7L] Re: something green
by Marian de Haan 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Neil wrote: >From: Stephen Date <stephend999(a)yahoo.co.uk> > >> So the Green Stuff is either Creme de Menthe or Chateau System 37. > >Or lime juice. Here in the Netherlands we have a lemonade syrup of precisely that green colour. (According to the label it tastes of Reine Claude plums but it consists mainly of sugar, colourants and flavouring.) I always assumed that this was the stuff they were drinking. :-) Marian

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Re: Perceptions (was Re: [B7L] Lost in France ...)
by Jenny Kaye 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Stephen Date wrote: > >Next time you see a post banging on about how great > >Avon is, remember, it's not infatuation, it's > >post-Marxist guilt. People banged on about Avon long before 1989 I'm sure, so I think infatuations' probably the simpler explanation. Neil Falkener wrote: > > > > > Fandom, like SF, like punk, like radical politics, > > > strips reality down to > > > its bare essentials and asks fundamental questions. > > > That, I think, is the > > > root of its appeal. I don't think many people on the lyst are that interested in politics. Or in asking questions :(. A very depressed Jenny. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Chronicles 65 (and also 67)
by JEB31538＠cs.com 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Andrew explained: > > As the current guest editor of Chronicles I would just like to point out > that this issue [ Chronicles 65] is the dead tree version of Narrelle M. Harris's > "Phoenix 4" webzine which is available on-line for free. I have the on-line version all printed out and formatted. I will still buy this one because it will take up less space and look nicer. Blake has a small part in Phoenix, but it's a good part. > Issue 66 is almost complete but I am waiting for some LoCs to appear to > finish it off. Issue 67 is in the planning stage and due to popular > demand (votes by Joyce, Joyce, Joyce, and someone called J.Bowen) we > would like to make it a Blake-oriented issue. So if you have any gen > stories looking for a home, please feel free to send them our way, > particularly if they feature Blake. If I had any shame, I would be embarrassed. Blake hasn't appeared much in the later Chronicles as a rule, and I commented on that to the editors. I would hope all you writers with previously unpublished gen stories which have Blake as one of the main characters would consider sending the story to Andrew/Chronicles as I am very interested in seeing Chronicles 67 turn out to be more Blake oriented. I will buy it regardless, though. Email Andrew at awilliams(a)daikin.com.au and Carol at storm(a)catchnet.com.au for more information. From what I've read so far on Lysator, it appears Carol is the one to Email first. However, I do know that Andrew does take the electronic submissions for Chronicles---whether your story has Blake in it or not. Joyce

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Re: [B7L] free lunches
by Shane Little 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Neil wrote: > > > >>Tanstaafl. > > > > > > > >I'm going to regret this, I know, but: what??? > > > > > >There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. > > > > > > > Which, to bring the discussion back to pornography (which Neil was >discussing), suggests that you get > > something out of consuming it, but that it also takes something out of > > you... > >Admittedly I was being even more elliptical than usual, but that wasn't what >I was suggesting. What _were_ you suggesting, then? Shane "Confirmed" --Zen Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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