Blakes7 April 2001

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Fanfic on the Lyst?
by Susan Beth 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Long ago I got the impression that, as a whole, the Lyst membership was interested in discussing the episodes, and real life aspects that affected the show (directors, writers, actors, BBC standards and budgets) but not in flights of fancy derived from the show. Aka fanfic. As a result, whenever I'm ready to post a piece of fanfic (all too rare these days, I'm afraid) it doesn't occur to me to post it to the Lyst instead of FC, or even as well, even when the story in question is completely sex-free. Is this how it should be? I mean, I've been pretty much assuming that everyone who would enjoy reading fanfic is subbed to FC as well. (Yes, we've got a sizable minority on FC who aren't into slash in fanfic, they just skip scenes or stories that don't suit them, for the sake of getting others that do.) Am I wrong? Are there a lot of people on just the Lyst who might enjoy a piece of fanfic now and then? Or maybe even want to join in creating one? In the past, FC and SC have spawned several Round Robin stories, some of which reached successful conclusions, other which were amusing while they lasted. Just wondering if there is enough interest to make something like that fly. Or would it just be seen as an intrusion on the more episode-oriented list? Susan Beth (susanbeth33(a)mindspring.com)

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Jan Chappell at Cult TV
by Judith Proctor 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

I just got the latest Cult TV update which announces Jan Chappell as a guest. for further details, see www.CultTV.org Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Captain Vila
by Marian de Haan 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Jacqui wrote: >When Vila says he bought his 'grade four ignorant' status (and elsewhere Avon calls him a 'grade five ignorant') to avoid being made a captain - but why assume he means a military/space service captain - perhaps he was trying to avoid being made a captain of a prison ship such as the London< Vila says he didn't want to be a *Space* Captain. In Powerplay Tarrant says he could fool Clegg and his Death Squad because he trained as a Space Captain. Although no proof, that seems a strong indication for Space Captain being a military rank. I'm inclined to consider Vila's statement as a typical example of his improvisational boasting that can't be taken seriously. Just my humble interpretation, of course :-) Marian

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Want to share some holiday snaps? (long and irredeemably frivolous)
by Sally Manton 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

AKA I'm baaa-aack ... They say travel broadens the mind - *some* of you will be relieved to know that Sally's mind shows absolutely no signs of this whatsoever (a little difficult when one's Appreciation of the Glories of Civilisation kept getting sidetracked by Appreciation of the Glories of French pastries, Austrian cake and Swiss chocolate). :-) Anyway, a few thoughts inspired by the experience ... Not even My Darling would look good in a passport photo. Our Heroes should never never never never be imagined in Lederhosen. No, *none* of them, Carol ;-) We saw Servalan's country house; her town house *was* Harrods's. And as punishment for her sins, BTW, Servie will spend the afterlife in Austrian folk costume. Aren't they all lucky that Zen's in charge of the maps? A fine vague "take us to Saurian Major" is distinctly better than my "where the hell is Rue de I-Can't-Pronounce-It on the map?" and "what do you mean we should have gotten off three stops ago and we're now in another country???" (Slight exaggeration, contrary to the general expectation that'd I'd end up in Vladivostock by accident, we only got lost three times in Paris and once in Schaffhousen). And talking of lucky, aren't they also lucky that hairy barbarians all over the galaxy speak purer English than your average tourist? Maybe they all descended from the Swiss. I want someone to write My Darling a visit to Disneyland Paris. Or Disneyland Proper. Or put him on a package (guided, complete with bouncy, chirpy 'isn't-this-fun' guide) excursion to Merry Blackpool. Rebel Scum Ltd be damned ... Blake should start recruiting the French rail unions for maximum disruption. I would not like to share a European hotel room with Gan. Or an off-season seaside B&B room (florally wallpaper, chintzy bedspread and lavender-scented blankets, china kittens and the owner's cute but yappy little dog ... the works) with Avon. Or go visiting the relatives with Vila. Or have to deal with Avon's leather-n-studs in a French launderette. As someone who had to cope with 6 currencies in 7 weeks, I want to know where they converted the Treasure Room treasure into spendable cash (Jenna probably knows the right contacts, I guess ...) In a former life, Tarrant was a French taxi driver. And going from 'Blake', I have my suspicions about Fearless Leader too. I had my photo taken with a snake, don't ask me why. But in the Appealing Mental pictures file, I have this one of Dayna and Tarrant trying to persuade Vila to have *his* with a Giant Tarzian Warg-Eating Lizard ... And finally, taking them all on a no-expenses paid (at least not by them) tour ... Blake would love all the Ancient Monuments and insist on exploring every one of them (I can see him dragging Avon all the way up Montsegur ...) Gan would love German food. Tarrant would love white-water rafting, driving in Paris and Disneyland. Cally would love the Black Forest, the New Forest, Sherwood Forest, the Forest of Dean etc etc etc ... and I do think she'd find Hindu temples appealing, though I'm not sure why. Vila would love Paris bars and French wine (and German beer). And the challenge of the Crown Jewels. Dayna would love souvenir shops (after the way she was brought up, I can really really see this - and Avon's face when she spent his money on decorated gold-plated penknives from Zeerok, miniature plastic brains with glow-in-the-dark eyes from Ultraworld, computer-driven military figurines with teeny guns that actually shoot from Vandor, computer-driven snowdomes from Albion, fluffy toy man-eating flowers from Saurian Major and little varnished spiders, carefully posed with musical instruments, from Kairos ..) Jenna would love French men. And Italian men. And maybe Welsh? :-) Soolin would love Swiss efficiency (I think I'll fanonically invest her with a collection of cuckoo clocks). And German men. Avon would *like* a hotel room - in a twelve-star luxury hotel - where none of the rest of them know where to find him again ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Want to share some holiday snaps? (long and irredeemably frivolous)
by J MacQueen 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> >AKA I'm baaa-aack ... Good! >difficult when one's Appreciation of the Glories of Civilisation kept >getting sidetracked by Appreciation of the Glories of French pastries, >Austrian cake and Swiss chocolate). :-) Oh, Sally, must you? >Our Heroes should never never never never be imagined in Lederhosen. No, >*none* of them, Carol ;-) They'd need those hats as well, and I have difficulty imagining a hat staying on Tarrant's head without doing damage to those curls. Carol wouldn't stand for that, I'm certain. >Cally would love the Black Forest, the New Forest, Sherwood Forest, the >Forest of Dean etc etc etc ... and I do think she'd find Hindu temples >appealing, though I'm not sure why. <to stop someone else thinking of it> Because she isn't exactly 'armless, right? Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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re: conventions
by Hannah Keeley 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Hi, my names Hannah, you may have seen the note that Judith Proctor put on the list for me, I'm doing a module at university where I'm having to reseach a particular culture, I have chosen people who go to Sci-fi conventions and why they go. My work has to be handed in next week and because the moderator for this lyst keeps barring my questionnaire because it has a suspicious header, whatever that means, I am fast running out of time. Hopefully this time it will appear as I only have a few replys from the first note and I need a lot more. It's been extremely difficult finding any information or web pages on the stuff I need and it's taken me ages to find this list, if any of you can help or have any advice for me I would be extremly grateful. The questionnaire is attached and I really appreciate you filling in the answers and returning it to me. When I've finished my report I'll put it up on the list, if the moderator allows it, so you can all see the results and what you've helped me to do!!! Thanks very much, Hannah Keeley. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Round Robin Part Four
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Cally took a step forward almost without thinking. Low down on the wall opposite, the crudely scratched words mocked her with their message, cryptic no longer. She stared at them in dismay. Earlier she had recognised the drawing of Gan's boot by the Decima but the meaning of the remainder of the message had eluded her. What she had thought of as "4647/5" became "AGANS" before her eyes. She thought to the flight deck: "Jenna, there are three of them: two armed Amagons, captive Decima knows Gan. They have Orac's key. I am wounded, need help." "Gan," said Avon, "What happened when you teleported over to the Amagon ship?" "They showed me a console that had burned out. They talked with me for a few minutes then knocked me out with some foam-gas. When I came to I was in the hold with Cally and the others." "Were there any Decimas on the Amagon ship?" asked Blake. "No," said Gan. "I think they planted a transmitter in your boot while you were out. Four days ago they homed in on it and triggered it. Then it exploded, disintegrating your boot in the proc ..." " - Are we going to answer Cally's message?" Jenna interrupted. She grabbed a gun. "We are not over Zondar now." "Where are you going?" asked Gan. "I am heading to the far entrance of the teleport bay. Give me two minutes, then distract them from the near entrance. They know you or Blake as the big guy. Avon, work on Zen." Jenna stole off before Blake or Avon could add anything. Two minutes later Gan walked past Cally in the dark, bumbled into the invader. He reversed himself but he had been seen. "Stop. Hands up." Gan raised his hands, turned around. The older man approached him, weapon at the ready. Behind him Jenna jumped out of her hide and shot the younger one. Gan grabbed the elder by the throat and his gun-arm. "That wasn't supposed to happen, was it? Where is Cally?" "She, she got away." "We have killed one and captured the other," said Jenna into the ship-wide-phone, "but I don't think they are Amagons." "Bring him to the flight deck," said Avon. "Will do," said Gan. "The Decima is here with Orac's key but there is no sign of Cally." "Blake and Vila have gone to look for her. Come back here quickly." At that moment the Liberator lurched. Gan fell down, on top of the prisoner, tearing his, the captive's, shiny, silvery belt buckle. Jenna smiled at the sounds. On the flight deck Jenna gave Orac's key to Avon. "Reverse thrust and stop." "It is ignoring us," said Avon, "but let's see if Orac can't fix it." Zen's calm voice came through Orac's channel: "Command Code has been keyed and by-passed. Liberator is unable to maintain normal functions." "Over-ride it and gain control, Orac." "Your little box can't give you your ship back," said the captive. "Blake, Vila, Cally," said Gan, "report your location, please. We are on the flight deck." "For two days we have been hailing Federation flotilla 17," said the captive. "They will be upon you soon." "Orac, how far away is Federation flotilla seventeen at time-distort ten?" "The flotilla is thirty-four minutes away." "How many pursuit ships are there in Federation flotilla seventeen, or do I already know?" Avon was thinking of the device he had used on Silmareno to detect detectors. "There are three pursuit ships in flotilla 17." ... Part Four ends Seven things to include (min. 1, max. 7, replace after use) 1) a sensor-pad 2) serum of a mutoid 3) voice-synthesiser 4) "We are calculating at time distort ... " 5) Cally fainting 6) Cygnus 7) a small black case belonging to Avon DC, who welcomes Sally M back http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=46469 http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=46458 http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=46137 http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=46081

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re: conventions
by Hannah Keeley 22 Apr '01

22 Apr '01

hi, my names Hannah and I'm doing a study at university on different cultures, I've chosen to look at the types of people who got to sci-fi conventions and why they go. You may have already seen something about this on the list because Judith Proctor put up a note I sent her. I am having really really big amounts of trouble getting my questionnaire on the list due to the modorater, if this manages to get on could anyone who wishes to help please send me a reply so I can send you the questionnaire as it seems to be working that way. I have been to 2 conventions myself, who's 7 in 96 and deliverance 98 and I'm quite interested to find out your opinions for my own curiosity as well as my work. Once I've finished my work I'll put it up on the list or if I can't I'll send it to everyone who lets me have their address. Thanks a lot Hope to hear from lots of you soon!! Hannah Keeley. P.S. my favourite characters Villa because he's really sweet and quite wimpy really but I've always thought he was quite nice looking even now, much nicer than Avon, although i expect loads of you will disagree!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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AutoPost: Lyst Culture Guide
by kat＠welkin.apana.org.au 22 Apr '01

22 Apr '01

Guide to Lyst Culture ********************** (written for the B7 mailing list at <http://lists.lysator.liu.se/mailman/listinfo/blakes7>) composed by Kathryn Andersen version 1.01 Considering the number of newbies who have admitted to being nearly frightened away by the manner of folks on this list, and wondering how much larger the number who *were* frightened away, I figured it was a good idea to write a Gentle Introduction which will lift confusion and humanise the apparently terrifying denizens of these electronic halls. Me saw need, me wrote. If me make mistakes, please tell, so corrections entered. This is by no means meant to replace the actual Lyst FAQ (at <http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html>) but serve as an adjunct to it. This is *not* a rule-set of customs. It is *descriptive* not proscriptive. The actuality, not the ideal. The distillation of our understanding of what the Lyst is like, so that folks don't have to read a year's worth of posts in order to get an idea of what the heck is going on here... Also, if you're new to the net, you might find the following helpful - common E-Mail abbreviations <http://www.zeusprod.com/glossary/mailterm.html> - Netiquette (net etiquette) <http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Beginner_s_Guides/Neti…> - The Google Search Engine <http://www.google.com> which I used to find the above URLs... Lyst Culture In A Bottle ************************* What's this "Lyst" business? ============================= The mailing list <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> was, so far as I know, the first Blake's 7 (electronic) mailing list to be created (and it also predates the newsgroup). Note the "lysator" in the address. Since there are other lists (most notably, the Other List (see Lyst FAQ)), presumably to save having to say "the lysator List", a shorthand for that is simply "the Lyst". Our Esteemed Listowner, Calle, is not a woman. This doesn't stop people calling him "Cally", indeed, it would be almost irresistible not to, considering the subject of this List. Nobody outside his native country can actually pronounce his name correctly, but it may help those who want to try, to keep in mind that "Calle" comes from the same root as "Carl". Not only that, it's a common short form of Carl, in the same way that Dick is for Richard. Contrary to rumour, "lysator" does not mean "liberator" in Calle's native tongue. It apparently doesn't mean anything in particular. Posting Style ============== Unlike many other lists, we don't tend to be chatty, and off-topic posts are (after a while) encouraged to go to the Spin-off list (see Lyst FAQ), so that we can get down to the serious business of discussing the political systems in B7 or the nature of terrorism or how teleportation works; or the lighthearted business of Avon's red leather trousers or what kind of ice cream the particular characters would prefer, or how to recast the series. It isn't a required custom on this list to introduce yourself, though a few people like to. People also don't tend to issue a formal welcome to newbies -- we just get on with the discussion and expect folks to join in (or not). Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. We're always interested in fresh ideas. If someone doesn't respond to your posting it could simply be because they agreed with it -- and didn't want to write a "me too" post. On the other hand, feel free to consider this unfriendly... but if you do, then it behooves you to go and welcome people, don't it? If the Lyst seems particularly busy and snarky, it's probably February. Odd Acronyms and Other Collections ================================== If you are confused by people referring to "the wrath of FINALACT" or suchlike, be confused no longer. As with many online fandoms, groups of like-minded fans often declare allegiance to their particular favourite characters, and form groups. Generally in order to be part of such a group... one simply declares oneself to be part of it. One doesn't have to be part of any group at all, and these groups are not meant to be taken deadly seriously either. Though some are more tongue-in-cheek than others. Often they are formed of those who consider their view to be a minority one. The Tarrant Nostra ------------------ Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who needs them? The first known reference to the Tarrant Nostra by that name is apparently in 1995, though the core group was around for longer than that. The name sprung from the mind of Brooke Barker. This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is "The Godmother" of the Tarrant Nostra; other members may not be so clearly identified. See Also <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TarrantNostra/tarrant.htm> F.I.N.A.L.A.C.T. ---------------- This stands for "Foundation Invalidating Numerous Accusations Levelled At Croucher's Travis". These are the fans who prefer Brian Croucher's Travis, aka Travis II. They have a tendency to threaten detractors with The Comfy Chair, Karaoke music and Teletubby torture. Jacqueline Thijsen is the Chief Inquisitor. Penny Dreadful is their Queen, hopeful of being elevated to godhood, so that Iain Coleman can be Pope. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=26736> G.I.T.H.O.G. ------------ This stands for "Greif Is Travis, House Of Greif". Byline -- 'In Time, We All Come to Greif'. These are the fans who prefer Stephen Grief's Travis, aka Travis I. They appear to be less active than FINALACT, probably because they don't perceive themselves to be in the minority. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=33344> A.S.K.S. -------- Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits go against the flow of Avon fans because they don't give a fig whether he looks sexy in black leather, they just identify with him. Kathryn Andersen made up this acronym, so she is presumably the founding member. Gareth's Gorillas ----------------- Fans who are into Gareth Thomas and his work, as distinct from just being interested in Blake (though they are interested in Blake too). Chief Gorilla is Judith Proctor. One may see them at cons wearing "Gareth's Gorilla" badges. The Gan Defence League ---------------------- Those who appreciate the unsung and oft under-appreciated Olag Gan. Judith Proctor goes around distributing oak leaves to those who stand up for Gan and say nice things about him. S.C.A.M. -------- Society for Crushing Animals Maligners, given a name by Una McCormack, the (almost) sole person who not only liked the episode "Animals", but strives to defend it. Dedicated to the art of Justinification (justifying Justin). Followers of the Goddess ------------------------ The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Ophelia (aka Kanna-Ophelia, aka (name suppressed on request))... not quite as gone as we thought. J.A.D.E. -------- Jarriere's Always Discriminating Enthusiasts don't actually tend to use this acronym a lot, but their influence has been far-reaching; not only did they get this minor character who only appeared in one episode (Gambit... Travis called him a powder-puff) into the top 20 of an online poll of favourite SF characters.... but they actually persuaded a fannish model-maker to include Jarriere into their line of die-cast models (after Avon, Blake, Travis and Vila). They are led by Harriet Monkhouse, who, after another Harriet joined the Lyst in 2001, decided to style herself Jarriet (or Harriere) to cut down on possibilities of mistaken identity. Avon Without Guilt ------------------ Not a terribly active group these days, but Pat Nussman founded "AWG" -- Avon Without Guilt. As in, yes, we *know* it's terribly common; we *know* that more discerning tastes move on from their first attraction to the Dark and Snarly One in favor of the more arcane delights of, oh, The Thane and Bruce; we *know* he has a less than stellar character. So what? We still love him, and we refuse to be guilty about it. It is worthwhile noting that Barbara Paul dedicated one of her novels to the Avon Without Guilt group. See <http://www.lit-arts.com/bpaul/holland.htm> Sickly Equines =============== Certain topics have a habit of coming up over and over again. I'm reluctant to call them dead horses, because it can be the case that a newbie can actually offer new insight that nobody's thought of before, and pass the hand of healing over what was once assumed to be a corpse. - Hey, Maybe Avon Shot Blake's Clone! - Was Blake a Freedom Fighter Or A Terrorist? Should Blake Have Destroyed Star One? - Avon Was Mad (No He Wasn't) - Was Travis only following orders? Hot Topics ========== One topic which is pretty much guaranteed to start the fires burning no matter how nicely and calmly people may start the discussion, is slash. If you don't know what slash is, don't worry, since you probably don't want to argue about it either. An oldish summary of the pro-slash position from Susan Beth can be found at <ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/misc/slash.defense> A summary of the anti-slash position is at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/slashsum.html> Another topic which tends to set the sparks flying is Horizon, the biggest and oldest B7 fan club. Or, more specifically, its Coodinator/Treasurer/etc, Diane Gies. I'm not going to reiterate it here, that would just stir people up again. Any topic can raise the temperature if it is pursued obnoxiously enough. There has been steam coming out of ears over - whether Deliverance is Sexist - posting style - con reports - religion just to name a few. But don't let that scare you off, we're generally quite calm and rational... Signs that a thread has gone on too long at too high a temperature are - posters start repeating themselves (worst case, reposting earlier posts of their own) - postings degenerate into a "he said, she said" dissection of why what so-and-so said was insulting. INTJ? MBTI? Huh? ================== Once upon a time, someone first brought up the idea of figuring out the Myers-Briggs (personality) Type Indicator for each of the characters. It was mentioned briefly once before, but the topic truly exploded in February 1998 when Adam Fuller posted this -- <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=21161> Much discussion ensued, and many people went off to <http://www.keirsey.com> to take the personality tests there to figure out their own type. Of those who took the tests and actually reported back, the majority appeared to be either INTJ or INTP types (and, oddly enough, the consensus was that Avon was either an INTJ or an INTP). This probably explains why the posting style of the list appears so unfriendly -- half of us are closet Avons. Some people are sick of this topic. Others remain fascinated by it. Penguins? What's that got to do with B7? ========================================= The connection between penguins and B7 can only be explained by the one who discovered the sinister conspiracy in the first place. For some reason, Calle seems to think it was Una McCormack, but the rest of the world blames it on Neil Faulkner. <http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm> Except for Neil, who blames it on Alison Page. Acknowledgements ================ Thanks (in no particular order) to Penny Dreadful, Calle Dybedahl, Neil Faulkner, Una McCormack, Tavia, Mistral, Steve Rogerson, Ophelia, Andrew Williams, Sandra Kisner, M, Harriet Monkhouse, Jacqueline Thijsen, Wildean, Harriet, Carol McCoy, Susan Beth, Tiger M, Sandra Kisner for additions, comments and corrections. Where To Find It ================ This FAQ-ish thing can be found on the web at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/lyst.html> and posted on the Lyst once a month. Mon Apr 23 01:06:00 EST 2001

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Hello, old friends.
by Helen Krummenacker 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

I've finally upgraded and got a new computer. I hope to get the new one networked with the old so I can pull things off of it, but in the meantime, I cannot access anyone's email addresses and old emails to me. I can get new emails, so if you'd like to hear from me, please email me off list! Sorry to bother others with this post. Thanks to Judith Proctor's easy-to-find site, and Calle for the Lyst, so I could get back in touch so fast!

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