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Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
by Pherber＠aol.com 20 May '01

20 May '01

In a message dated 5/19/01 7:57:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time, smanton(a)hotmail.com writes: > I think Blake would try to leave, and Avon - his *protective* instinct > kicking in - would try and stop him. That seems the most likely scenario to me -- maybe they would come to their senses and figure out the weight problem *logically* for a change! Blake *is* supposed to be an engineer, after all. Nina

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[B7L]Back on topic, methinks?
by Sally Manton 20 May '01

20 May '01

Marian wrote re Cally in Bounty: <We don't know what the wildlife on Lindor is (except that they have squirrels), so maybe that coat did resemble a local species of animal? :-)> Now trying to imagine what sort of species also wears four-inch heels while climbing ;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Orbit
by Sally Manton 20 May '01

20 May '01

Alison wrote: <Michael Keating said Vila was crying because he was trying to get his act together to put *himself* out the airlock. That is, he was going to sacrifice himself, as you think Blake would.> And Claudia: <Hm. I don't buy that at all. If that's what the actor says he had in mind, I'll accept that, but that's not what comes across on screen to me. To me, he's just in terror. Not exactly betrayal, because Avon didn't do anything Vila didn't expect of him. He doesn't have to wait to see Avon's reaction to Orac's comment; he's already hidden before Avon comes down with his gun and his awful soft voice.> Agree with all of this, and I actually really can't see Vila sacrificing himself for anyone *at all*. Not even Blake - though I can believe that he might *want* to for Blake. Vila is, first and foremost, a survivor, even more so IMO than Avon, because there actually *isn't* anyone who Vila would deliberately, cold-bloodedly put ahead of himself. I see this in both Vila and Soolin, and a possible explanation in their backgrounds, similar in that both appear to have been flung onto their own resources at a very young age (Soolin's family were massacred, Vila was in prison at age 14). His cowardice is IMO genuine, but only one aspect of this; where he thinks it won't work, he doesn't give in to it. He does, of course, occasionally take risks for one of the others - an interesting aspect of his saving Tarrant in Rescue is that there is no one there to *tell him* him do it, in the heat of the moment he just does. And almost goes back for Cally, but then when that awful rumble starts, the survival instinct kicks in and he scrambles for safety (I'm not blaming him, of course, there's not a thing he could have done to save her). But to cold-bloodedly face death for someone else ..? No. What I can see is Blake deciding to airlock himself and Vila *wanting* to stop him, but not being able to pull together that amount of selflessness until it was too late. <What would happen between Blake and Avon on the shuttle? I have no idea. Neither of them would hide, so instead there would be some kind of "so this is it after all these years" confrontation. I'm sure Blake wouldn't kill Avon, but I don't think Avon would kill Blake either, _in that circumstance_.> I think Blake would try to leave, and Avon - his *protective* instinct kicking in - would try and stop him. What happens next is anyone's guess, and the stuff of quite a few stories I've read ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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New frame captures
by Sally Manton 20 May '01

20 May '01

Lisa wrote: <The set of 196 images from "Gambit" is new to the library.> And wonderful they are too, thank you *again* for all your work. <There are about five minutes of relevant plot and a lot of filler (including scenes of Servalan heroically attempting to explain said plot to Jarriere, with a notable lack of success.) > Yes, well of course, the episode would have been enormously *improved* if these scenes had been expanded to fill, say another twenty minutes or more. Or <deep wistful sigh> we'd been blessed with the scenes of Avon and Jarriere that I dream of ... <And there are plenty of pics of the assorted supporting cast -- including Jarriere, which should make Certain People happy.> :-) Can't *think* who you mean. And they are gorgeous. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Flight deck speculation (was Re: [B7L]Back on topic, methinks?)
by Sally Manton 20 May '01

20 May '01

Annie wrote: <Yes, but I always found it interesting that Vila seemed to *enjoy* that position *and* he seemed to be relatively good at it. It always seemed so "not" Vila.> But he did seem to enjoy it ("I've been looking forward to this", The Web). Maybe because it's more like Space Invaders than real fighting, but still more exciting more exciting than Gan's or Cally's jobs, and Blake was canny enough to realise Vila would work far better at something he enjoyed; put him on communications and he'd probably doze off like in the teleport ... <Then again, didn't we even see Vila pilot the ship a time or two later on? I suppose they all had to learn every position!> It appears they all had a working knowledge; I like the way at the end of Shadow, he and Avon head straight for each others' positions without even thinking about it, as they're the nearest. PS - still don't see why Blake couldn't go and raise the forcewall while doing the command bit, but there *must* have been a good reason, or Avon would have said something rather evil about it very early ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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ORAC
by Helen Krummenacker 20 May '01

20 May '01

> > >If Orac had been given the choice in the so-named episode would it have > > >preferred to go with Servalan or with Blake? Orac shows enough > > >understanding (as distinct from awareness) to make a reasoned choice. > POV Avon, Orac is "just a machine"--in other words, doesn't even qualify for > his slimline view of human rights--but shouldn't have Blake been worried > about the freedom of the honest AI to think and speak? > Does Avon's view on this change as time goes by? He does tend to talk to the machine as time goes on. It helps him put his thoughts in order, but is he also seeing the machine as a companion?

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Re: Orbit
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Claudia said: "We had the usual debate about whether Avon would really have done it, whether he meant it, and then an interesting "what if Blake had been on the shuttle" (in place of either Vila or Avon) conversation." I think Blake would have been self sacrificing and jumped. I can't see Blake forcing, or trying to force, either Vila or Avon off, though I doubt he would have managed it with Avon. Re what I said earlier about Vila's professional attack on Arlen in Blake, if he had those skills, why didn't he go for Avon, or was he too gutted at the betrayal? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Eclectic
by Carolan 20 May '01

20 May '01

Steve Rogerson said: "So, who else is going to Eclectic next weekend in Leicester? Guests include Gareth T and Jacqueline P." I am, and Judith P of course. It has a varied guestlist (B7 & UFO actors, fantasy writer etc), panels and discussion sessions (filking with Judith too). Looks like a fun weekend. Anne (a sheep, not a wolf....according to Chinese calendar) . . . Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Freedom City (was Re: When "Animals" camouflage)
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 20 May '01

20 May '01

I had been trying to stay out of this, but I feel the need to make some corrections concerning the Freedom City list and its policies. In a message dated 05/19/2001 6:52:08 AM Central Daylight Time, jennycat55(a)hotmail.com writes: > They say many a truth is said in jest. It's a strange thing ambition, it can > lead you into many places. You rule the roost at Freedom City, but you're > not happy with just that. If anyone could be said to rule the roost at Freedom City, it's me, the listowner. I'm definitely not Leah, and somehow I doubt that she would want to be me. And believe it or not, I don't have the kind of absolute, totalitarian control that you seem to think I do. (If I did, I'd get people to write more Tarrant stories and more Travis stories. ;-) > So you come here to Lysator. Everyone on Freedom > City is by definition a slasher, This is incorrect. We are a slash-friendly list, but not exclusive. Not everyone on FC is a slash fan, or even into erotica. Many list members just like the relaxed atmosphere there, and my only stipulation is that they be tolerant of their fellow list members who do like slash and het erotica and that they follow the rules. Freedom City is open to anyone who is over 18 and legally an adult in the area where they live, and is willing to abide by its rules, two of which include the prohibition of flaming and trolling. > but on this lyst there are people who are > not. It's those people that are > my concern, the ones you are after. It's petty, it's small minded, but I > suppose it's power of some kind. And that's what you crave, don't you Leah? It's my understanding that the great majority of the people on this list are adults, able to think for themselves and make their own decisions. There may be some minors here, but I don't think even they would be here if they didn't have at least a certain amount of intelligence and maturity. From where I stand, it looks like what you are trying to do is make other people's decisions for them. Please stop making unwarranted personal attacks on other people. Thank you, Tiger M, Freedom City listowner

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Re: Orac
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Jacqui said: "Surely afterwards Vila would have gone for Orac - for causing the problem" Vila would probably have taken great pleasure in tormenting Orac. We saw how he behaved when he was teaching him the riddles. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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