Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] Avon and Terminal
by Marian de Haan 09 May '01

09 May '01

Andrew wrote: >Marian wrote: >>Basically, Avon is a survivor and to bring himself into such a no-win situation is more stupid than I would have given him credit for. (I blame the Ultra - something must have gone wrong with the reversal of the brain-sucking process :-) )<< >Wouldn't it be more fun to blame Tarrant for it?< I always try to be fair to Toothy. >Ah, the simple joys of TN-baiting....< There's that, of course :-) Marian

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free computer
by Deborah Day 09 May '01

09 May '01

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Avon needs blake...
by Nathan Hook 09 May '01

09 May '01

Marian said: And that's exactly what makes the episode so incomprehensible to me. Avon is acting on the outside chance that the message is real and Blake needs rescueing. Therefor I would expect Avon to want to get Blake out of the mess and not choose a course that will only make Avon end up in captivity too. Remember Avon too isn't entirely sure the whole thing isn't genuine. I forget the exact dialogue between himself and servalan, but it runs along the lines of him recognising that it could quite possibly be a trap, but after having Zen analyse the recordings of Blakes voice the message could be genuine and therefore worth a look. now he doesn't want to jeapordise the Liberator in the first instance, so he makes it his risk. If he advises the crew to bugger off once he's on planet, the Liberator is safe theoretically. Either way there's a gamble involved. does he really calculate properly? well given he's thinking on his feet with limited sleep, he's bound to make a mistake...or two. he obviously doesn't count on the others and the human curiosity factor. what are you doing avon? Tarrant tries to bully it out of him and gets a harder shove back and all the mystery and secrecy feeds that curiosity and the desire to "Help". What's confusing is what motivates him. The short answer can only be he needs Blake. He proves it again in the Blake episode. A figure head, a rabble rouser and a good one. Blakes charisma outweighs Avon's when it comes to pure leadership. Which is ironic in the end, because it shows a turn in Avon's character incongruent with the previous Blake - Avon relationship. He rids himself of Blake, through circumstances and finally gets what he wants. yet when the oportunity finally arrives he makes a conscious an overtly determined effort to reacquire the very person he was the least fond of. Avon needs Blake - badly. sorry to all the avon fans out there, I love the character too, but it's interesting don't you think. I like the way this series allows for "characters" to be so pivotal in it's logical/illogical continuence. Their individual selfishness and idiosyncracies amusing us, surprising us, confusing us and annoying us. Brilliant, just plain brilliant. well, with the odd episodal exception! Nothings so difficult as a beginning/ In poesy, unless perhaps the end. Byron. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free, BeOS-friendly email accounts: http://BeMail.org/ Free Peepshow - http://twinfusion.com/comic/peep/

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RE: [B7L] Re: evolution for predators? (was Terminal)
by Louise Rutter 09 May '01

09 May '01

>> Maybe. But ask any conservationist which large >> predators are not in danger of extinction by homo >> sapiens. I'm pretty sure it would be a fairly short >> list. > >Off the top of my head, sharks? And they aren't land-based, so hardly >compare to the Links. The great white and tiger sharks are certainly considered endangered and are currently protected over parts of their ranges. The African lion has to be the safest large predator, I think. I guess if nobody went to Terminal any more, the experiment abandoned, the Links would be safe enough. But the concept of them is unbearably naff, and I ahve to agree that Servalan just didn't know enough biology to realise that she was spouting rubbish. Louise

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Avon and Terminal
by Andrew Williams 09 May '01

09 May '01

Marian wrote: >Basically, Avon is a survivor and to bring himself into such a no-win >situation is more stupid than I would have given him credit for. (I blame >the Ultra - something must have gone wrong with the reversal of the >brain-sucking process :-) ) Wouldn't it be more fun to blame Tarrant for it? Ah, the simple joys of TN-baiting.... Andrew.

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Re: [B7L] Terminal (was: moloch/limiters)
by Marian de Haan 09 May '01

09 May '01

Guy Kendall wrote: >Hi everyone - I'm a newcomer here< Hi Guy, wellcome aboard. >Do we really believe Servalan thinks about this stuff much ? She's cunning, politically aware, has a certain amount of tactical deviousness/cleverness etc, but does she ever think of anything which doesn't directly affect her ?< I agree that Servalan doesn't seem to be the philosophical type. All her deeds show her ruthless and single-minded selfishness and I don't think there's room for any other thoughts in her mind. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Avon and Terminal
by Marian de Haan 09 May '01

09 May '01

Sally wrote: >Jacqui wrote: ><Avon expects to be picked up/'rescued' -> > >Well, MHO is that he *doesn't* - he knows he's walking wide-eyed into a trap, and that he will die (I love the line "Sentiment breeds weakness. Let it get a hold of you and you are dead," a beeeyootiful comment on what he's doing throughout).< And that's exactly what makes the episode so incomprehensible to me. Avon is acting on the outside chance that the message is real and Blake needs rescueing. Therefor I would expect Avon to want to get Blake out of the mess and not choose a course that will only make Avon end up in captivity too. The only time we see Avon being suicidal is at the end of Rumours of Death, when he takes off his teleport bracelet - and IMO that is caused by hurt pride more than anything else. ("Of all the things I have known myself to be, I never recognised the fool.") And it only lasts a short while as I think he's already over it when the teleport him up. Basically, Avon is a survivor and to bring himself into such a no-win situation is more stupid than I would have given him credit for. (I blame the Ultra - something must have gone wrong with the reversal of the brain-sucking process :-) ) Marian

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scripts and other ephemera
by Leia Fee 09 May '01

09 May '01

>When Avon almost shoots him, Blake was scripted to say: "You never could >tell your friends from your enemies,". Instead, we get the one word >"Missed". I've always liked that one word line. Leia

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No Changes Please
by Leia Fee 09 May '01

09 May '01

Hmm this is tricker than than last one! Hard to pin down what it is that I like so much Three things about the series... 1. The motley crew Blake ends up with specifically the fact that they don't instantly turn into converts to his cause and in fact actively oppose him quite often. 2. Realism. The crew squabbled, got bored and stressed and tired. Sometimes the bad guys won. 3. The interaction between the crew and the way it changes through the series. Three particular highlights... Mostly the little bits of banter, snarkiness and similar 1. Moloch. Vila actually standing up to Tarrant, telling him to stop shoving him around and then walking out on him when he threatens him. 2. Hostage. Jenna: [to Cally] What are you going to fire at?, Cally: Anything that moves. Ah a woman after my own heart<grin> 3. Redemption. The whole scene in the cell after Avon thumps Vila as he comes in. Leia the bruised

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Re: [B7L] Avon and Terminal
by Sally Manton 09 May '01

09 May '01

Jacqui wrote: <Avon expects to be picked up/'rescued' -> Well, MHO is that he *doesn't* - he knows he's walking wide-eyed into a trap, and that he will die (I love the line "Sentiment breeds weakness. Let it get a hold of you and you are dead," a beeeyootiful comment on what he's doing throughout). After all, not only does he tell them to get out if he misses one call (which instruction they *could* ignore, and he knows it) but he's made damn sure that in twelve hours they will leave him *whether they want to or not* - "the ship will set course for Calipheron. You cannot override it." Twelve hours isn't all that long, you know ... <otherwise why take Orac's key with him?> Personally I think that was just habit (do remember, he's not thinking *at all* clearly even if he's had a sleep :-)) though you could argue that it's to prevent them getting Orac to override the above course instruction. <(and the others have told him on more than one occasion - in 'Terminal' and RoD offhand, that they care for him - at least as a team member)> Yeeeessss ... and he *really* appreciated it in RoD, didn't he? They butted into his private affairs and - albeit said butting in saved his life - he clearly resented it ("This has nothing to do with you -- any of you," "So shut up and let me do what I came to do.") Again, MHO is that his decision to keep all of them - even Cally and Vila - out of the possibly-Blake business was partly inspired by the fact that he couldn't trust them all to (I-*his*-O, not at all humble) 'mind their own business'. He doesn't want them there if he *does* meet Blake again (given the amount of emotion on his face during that little 'talk', I don't blame him.) And of course he doesn't want to risk all of them - and the ship - if it's a trap. I think he expects to die on Terminal. His expression when he sees what he thinks is Blake clearly indicates (to me) that he *did not* have much if any hope that it was true. He knows what he's doing is suicidal (that's why all the precautions for the others) but he just can't ignore the one-off chance that he's wrong ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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