Blakes7 July 2001

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Discrepancies ahoy (was Avon & Byron)
by J MacQueen 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

In playing the game of explaining within the bounds of what you see, this is the "French" cricket game I played as a child in the backyard, where your legs are the stumps you have to protect and you can't move them, even when the bowler is behind you. >From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> >The problem is, Our Heroes don't *act* as if they've been there for months; >they're still in initial exploration stage, as if they haven't been there >more than a day or two at most. When Avon finds the gun-rack, there's no >"where the hell has that been all this time???" for instance. Raising the question of whether or not there is any difference in the way time is perceived aboard the Liberator and how it is perceived outside of the ship. I've a difficulty with this idea, because the Altas do seem to be acting at the same tempo as everyone else you see, and one might then expect to see movement at an entirely diffent pace. (And one wouldn't expect flesh and blood so closely linked to computers to be unaware of being slower in action than other entities.) Worse, one would have to contemplate Zen restoring the difference in time perception whenever someone entered or left the bounds of the Liberator, and some degree of disorientation would have to occur then, and we don't see it. At least, nothing in my faulty memory gives the idea that the teleport ever really induced a disoriented state. Then again, why off the world (as it were) would Zen do such a thing, disregarding for the moment the possbility of it being a side effect of Zen's defences? Failing that, Zen's been doing a lot this examination Sally suggested while they were asleep, and caused them to be unconscious much longer than their internal clocks would suggest. In that case, so far as they are concerned, they _have_ been aboard the Liberator for only a short time. No. I'm stumped. The tennis ball has hit me on the shins, and I'm out. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: The Sunmakers (Dr Who)
by Steve Rogerson 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

I've got my copy, but I haven't got round to watching it yet. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Nexus pictures
by Steve Rogerson 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Pictures from last weekend's Nexus convention are now up on my web site, including quite a few of Gareth Thomas, as well as me in my Sunnydale High cheerleader outfit again. The web address is the one immediately below my name. Follow the link to convention pictures and then to Nexus. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Re: Servalan and Avon
by Sally Manton 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Helen wrote: <Perhaps that's one of the reasons I don't think there was much passion on his side. I've always had the opinion that when he suddenly realised she actually was attracted to him, he'd turn the charm on and off to get what he needed (such as buying time) and then get the hell away.> I can't argue with the on-screen fact that there *is* a physical attraction there, but I agree it's never strong enough on either side to overcome the calculation (and on Avon's side, definitely, an emotional revulsion). Probably because, again, there's no attraction to each other as human beings - Avon recognises that that's rather an over-generous description of the extremely winsome monster that is Her Supremeness, and Servalan because she's not actually capable of *thinking* about other people except as tools or threats - 'things' to be used (yes, even Don Keller. Have a listen to her in 'Sand', it's all about *her* and what 'love' and 'power' were for *her*, not a word about the man himself). As well, of course, there's a rather clinical appreciation of each other's mental agility and an enjoyment of the battle of wills; I do think this is always important for Avon, someone who engages his mind, who interests him intellectually is always going to be more interesting than someone who may be moral and good, but is mentally straightforward. His mental games with Servalan are on a lesser and far harsher plane than those he had with Blake, but they're still a source of some cold amusement. All of which is why they *can* play out their twisted little flirtations, even though there's no emotional connection whatsoever: why Avon can do it without his revulsion for what she is and has done getting in the way. What they 'share' is all so essentially meaningless ... JMO, of course. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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new in Hermit library
by Judith Proctor 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Jabberwocky parts 3 and 4 are now in the Hermit library along with Val Westall's illustrations for the stories. Jabberwocky part 1 is currently the most downloaded story in the library, so if you haven't read this series, why not give it a go? Especially good for fans who like happy endings. We're also delighted to have all of Alice Aldridge's Travis and Jenna saga. This is a wonderful alternative universe series that takes two often neglected characters and makes full use of them. Well worth reading even if you don't normally enjoy these two characters. (There's also some good bits for other characters, there's one story where I really love her depiction of Blake.) Alice has been through all the stories and updated and corrected them - some of them have had fairly major rewrites since the original zine publication. The library currently has a total of 274 stories and we're always glad to have more. If you have stories on another site and want them linked into the index, just fill in the form in the library or drop Richard a line on Richard(a)Waveney.org Alternatively, we're happy to host stories on the Hermit site. Judith PS. Anyone know any jobs for an ex-Marconi telecoms and web expert... (Needs to involve either lots of money or employment in Dorset. Anything with both would be even better, but we'd settle for staying in Dorset...) Richard's CV can be found on http://www.waveney.org/CV.html -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Ebay watch: another script and other
by JEB31538＠cs.com 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Chris Boucher has another offering on Ebay. This is a clean rehearsal script of "Shadow" which he is willing to autograph if wished. Obviously one would expect an autograph, I would think. The item number is 1166301201. I frankly haven't been keeping track of all the Boucher scripts on Ebay so far ( 6 or more??) but IIRC (and I'm sure I don't) I think he has been getting more than 200 pounds on the average. If anybody more math oriented has been keeping track, I would be interested in knowing what the average has been. There is the usual other stuff on Ebay as well: two signed Gareth Thomas photos, two signed Paul Darrow photos, Man of Iron script, a signed Avon: A Terrible Aspect, a Corgi Liberator, lots of individual B7 video tapes, the entire series of B7 video tapes (PAL), Chronicles 65 fanzine (the latest one), and Dreamwatch 21 magazine (a definite must for any Gareth Thomas fan). Dreamwatch 21 is OOP. This is the one that also has the Paul McGann nice article in it. McGann had just become the new Doctor when this magazine came out. Little did we know then that Gareth would play Lord Tamworth to Paul's Doctor Who in the audio CD "Storm Warning." Joyce (and, yes, I bid on both Gareth photos but I have been outbid on one)

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Re: [B7L] Avon & Byron
by Sally Manton 13 Jul '01

13 Jul '01

Natasa wrote: <Another problem - given that the three of them have spent those (also problematic) four months aboard the Liberator before reaching Cygnus Alpha, how come no one has spotted the treasure room sooner?> Or the Wardrobe Room, or the panel that got Zen started, or ... I'm muddling over the possibility that Zen somehow concealed these things while he/it was watching these new people and making a decision on what to do with them; this is why they were able to access the food and water and air, since - following Blake's defeat of the defence system - Zen was considering whether he/they might be worthwhile. The panel that Jenna touched was the first sign that Zen had decided to accept them and made it visible, the other things (Wardrobe and Treasure) being released (or even created) after a quick look at Jenna's mind told him that these new humans liked clothes and money :-) The problem is, Our Heroes don't *act* as if they've been there for months; they're still in initial exploration stage, as if they haven't been there more than a day or two at most. When Avon finds the gun-rack, there's no "where the hell has that been all this time???" for instance. Occasionally, despite one's devotion to Playing the Game, one has to simply shut one's ears and pretend something on screen wasn't like that (e g Travis's galaxy blooper in Duel, the mess that is Cally's backstory). The time-line screw-ups in all of the Spacefall-SLD episodes are ultimately unfixable, methinks ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Blake's motivations (was Avon & Byron)
by Sally Manton 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

Marian wrote: <By his own admission, Blake goes to free the prisoners because he needs a crew. I doubt whether he sees them as friends or feels much loyalty to them.> <grin> Been here, done this. My opinion is still that [a] even at this stage of memory recovery he could do a hell of a lot better than all of them bar Gan and maybe Vila (as Natasa pointed out some time ago, he doesn't take long to remember the presumed-still-alive rebels on Saurian Major); [b] he has no guarantee that any of them *will* stay and is not going to make them if they don't want to (remember in Time Squad, he makes it clear no one is constrained to stay; [c] he is taking a large risk going down by himself to rescue them, knowing as he does that Avon and Jenna *might* swan off and leave him (he has a fair amount of faith that they won't when push comes to shove, but not blind faith, hence that little lie about what happened on the surface. He could lose everything by doing this, and he knows it. He needs a crew, yes, but look, we're talking about needing a whole *two more* people than he's already got to be able to run the ship perfectly well, in a galaxy riddled with dissidents. He doesn't need *these* people. I think he feels responsible for them, since his mutiny failed and got several of them killed. Responsibility is after all one of Fearless Leader's defining traits ... he can manage it for the whole galaxy :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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What Federation soldiers are taught (or; I've done it agai n)
by Alison Page 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

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Re: [B7L] Blake's motivations (was Avon & Byron)
by Marian de Haan 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

Natasa wrote re Cygnus Alpha: >I think the whole episode tells us a lot about Blake. Being a good judge of characters, he's seen through the other two and, with or without the treasure room, he knows it's quite likely they might desert him. That a hero risks his life and freedom is OK, it's something we conventionally expect heroes to do. But here Blake risks losing the Liberator - the ship he deems so precious for his Cause, the only thing in the galaxy that can challenge the Federation - for what? For a chance to save a handful of losers such as Arco and Salmon and Vila! One can hardly get better proof of Blake's loyalty to friends. No wonder he's pissed off like hell when it turns out they don't want to be saved.< By his own admission, Blake goes to free the prisoners because he needs a crew. I doubt whether he sees them as friends or feels much loyalty to them. Marian

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