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Re: [B7L] Episode review: Time Squad
by Sally Manton 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

Ian W wrote: <In this episode Blake is taking command. After telling Avon all about discussing plans, he just decides where they are going on his own. Blake's idea that "If you don't like what he wants to do you can leave" is not particularly democratic!> <gurgle> Blake wanted freedom and power in the hands on the *honest man*, remember? Unfortunately, precious few of them ever set foot on Zen's flight deck ... He's autocratic by nature (and probably nurture ... where would *any* of Our Heroes learn what the word democratic actually means?) and a democrat by belief and principle. Once he's *got* control - here - *then* he then seems to encourage discussion and input. When deciding to rendezvous with the projectile he changes travel plans without consulting the others, again! At the end of the episode Blake already knows to go to Centero without consulting the others What "influences" Zen after he scans the projectile? This is never explained. It isn't easy to influence Zen, even for ORAC, so what's up? Gan thinks that Zen may have a limiter - so is this el cheapo foreshadowing? Zen burns out the teleport switch, but allows the repair circuits to function. Zen will also not pilot the ship, but allows manual control. I think this is supposed to tell us that much of Liberators function is independent of Zen and it is as much a crew member as them (particularly if you want to have SEVEN). Zen's non-piloting allows Avon to show he is a super-pilot - at least we were spared him being sensitive and caring :-) . Blake and Jenna hugged in the last episode and this time he "touches" her in a rather familiar way before they teleport. This behaviour would get Blake sacked from most jobs :-). Later on, Jenna is unsure about becoming a rebel - so it looks like she is just here to snog Blake. There is also some taking sides here: when Jenna says "nice flying" to Avon he ignores her and she and Blake exchange glances (plus their discussion when first teleported over to the projectile). The "alien" is clearly a motorhead fan, judging by the moustache! The aliens are also lucky that electrical outlets have not changed over centuries and between civilizations when they power up their craft from the liberator. Bleeding heart liberal Gan always thinks the best of anyone/thing in this episode: he says the aliens might be frightened, that Zen was always on their side, and that dumping the projectile is murder. And I still can't see the "Gan as mass murderer of women" as suggested/discussed on this list back in May? Jenna has learned from Blake never to tell your crewmates what is really going on - she doesn't tell them she has been attacked. The parallel story has an excellent powerplant location, and Vila shows he is useful by opening the door. Oddly, the flutonic generator room looks just like the computer room on the London. Cally is tough and looks great in her red leather outfit - even her gun is "top notch" (another gratuitous motorhead reference - but from me, not the show) but should really not have been fooled by Blake. I would rather he had talked to her about who he/they were. Nasty Jenna is very bitchy about bringing aliens on board - but I suppose she was almost killed by one earlier - but can't she see the difference between an anti-federation freedom fighter and a heavy rock band lost in space? Why does Blake call he Liberator "control" when requesting teleport? He never does this again and neither does the rest of the crew. Maybe he hasn't found the Junior Boys Guide to Space Jargon yet. Hmm.... so many questions. - Iain _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Re: [B7L] 'Sarcophagus'
by Ellynne G. 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

> Was there only one such 'burial in space' or would there be other > such Sarcophaguses (is that the right plural?) running around? Personally, I'd say there weren't many. Actually, though, I think I managed to sneak my idea about this into my story in tofpa (hint, hint, hint) so I won't say anything else except that she implied she was a near immortal and near immortals don't have funerals that often. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Re: names
by Ellynne G. 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

OK, you know I like to type this up from time to time. I still find it interesting that all of the human members of the crew except Gan and Vila can have their names translated as black, dark, pale, or white - and Blake can mean either. Blake - same root as black or same root as blank (which meant white, apparently) Kerr - Can mean dark or speak (related to the ger root in Roger, which means noble spear, so Roj and Kerr have first names that make up a single name - and the elements they get suit them. Blake is the 'noble' idealist [which is why Avon claims to despise him] and Avon claims to have a personality any spear would be proud to own up to. It also seems to suggest Avon as Blake's scapegoat or proxy, literally embodying a darker half that Blake needs but must also deny as part of himself). Cally - Kali means dark. Jenna - Possible form of Gwenivere, meaning white wave. Jen is also Mandarin for truth, but jenna means "Truly?" or "Is it true?" (I'm so sure the guys working on the show didn't know any Chinese, and yet it so suits the ambiguity of the show). Del Tarrant - Del can mean day (shortened form of Delbert, meaning bright day). Tarrant means thunder. Dayna Melanby - Melan is Greek for dark. Also, although Dayna probably is a form of Diana (meaning lady), it is _Day_-na. Oh, and the by in Melanby probably means road or way (as in highways and byways). Soolin - Could be from Szu, meaning pale, and lin, a type of jade (no, I don't know what kind). Soo could also be from Susan, meaning lily (as in 'lily white' and all that). And I'm so willing to bet the writers weren't thinking about most of this. Servalan - Servilis was a Roman family name. As far as I understand it, an adopted member of the family might be Servilian or Servilan, so maybe Servalan is named after an obscure historical person? Unfortunately, I can never twist it over to the passive form of 'I serve' to become 'I am served,' which would fit perfectly. Travis - So ironic that they guy with the same name as one of the defenders of the Alamo would be the one to sabotage the small fort and let the enemy in. Then again, maybe they decided Bowie, the inventor of a type of two sided blade, was too obvious. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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re: names
by Alison Page 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

Kat said - >> It doesn't have the typical "a" or "y/ie/i" ending that many women's names have both in RL and SF/F. (Jenna, Cally, Dayna) (One reason for liking my own name and Alison's for that matter.) In your face Una! :-) >>One author I'd recommend who seems to come up with excellent names for her characters is Sheri Tepper Douglas Adams said he came up with 'Slartibartfast' by combining all the obscene words he could think of. Huh. I can think of much worse ones than *that* Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] AutoPost: Lyst Culture Guide
by J MacQueen 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

>From: "Una McCormack" <una(a)qresearch.org.uk> >Christ's sake, Iain, it's only ten in the morning. It's not 9 am yet, as I read this. Thanks, Iain, for waking me up...sort of. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Mutoids in S4
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

As 'most' of the mutoids seen in S1&2 exist in the military environment, and as 'much' of the military was destroyed in the Intergalactic War, there were probably few mutoids left - & it would probably take time to 'convert' them from human. (IMO) Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Episode review: Time Squad
by Stephen Date 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Iain Walker wrote: > > The "alien" is clearly a motorhead fan, judging by > the moustache! You fiend ! Everytime I watch Time Squad from now on I'm going to find myself humming "Ace of Spades". > > Jenna has learned from Blake never to tell your > crewmates what is really > going on - she doesn't tell them she has been > attacked. > Obviously in future it will be social death to mention that you have been attacked, when it might be helpful to share that information. > > Why does Blake call he Liberator "control" when > requesting teleport? He > never does this again and neither does the rest of > the crew. Maybe he hasn't found the Junior Boys > Guide to Space Jargon yet. > El Cheapo foreshadowing of Pressure Point. Presumably he was doing it on the off chance, a bit like the sketch where the court usher shouts "Call Lord Lucan ! Ah well it was worth a try". Stephen. P. S. Tried to send this once already. Apologies if it gets to everyone twice ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Episode review: Time Squad
by Iain Walker 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Its been a while since I last posted an episode review (mostly in the form of questions!), but here goes for Time Squad... In this episode Blake is taking command. After telling Avon all about discussing plans, he just decides where they are going on his own. Blake's idea that "If you don't like what he wants to do you can leave" is not particularly democratic! When deciding to rendezvous with the projectile he changes travel plans without consulting the others, again! At the end of the episode Blake already knows to go to Centero without consulting the others What "influences" Zen after he scans the projectile? This is never explained. It isn't easy to influence Zen, even for ORAC, so what's up? Gan thinks that Zen may have a limiter - so is this el cheapo foreshadowing? Zen burns out the teleport switch, but allows the repair circuits to function. Zen will also not pilot the ship, but allows manual control. I think this is supposed to tell us that much of Liberators function is independent of Zen and it is as much a crew member as them (particularly if you want to have SEVEN). Zen's non-piloting allows Avon to show he is a super-pilot - at least we were spared him being sensitive and caring :-) . Blake and Jenna hugged in the last episode and this time he "touches" her in a rather familiar way before they teleport. This behaviour would get Blake sacked from most jobs :-). Later on, Jenna is unsure about becoming a rebel - so it looks like she is just here to snog Blake. There is also some taking sides here: when Jenna says "nice flying" to Avon he ignores her and she and Blake exchange glances (plus their discussion when first teleported over to the projectile). The "alien" is clearly a motorhead fan, judging by the moustache! The aliens are also lucky that electrical outlets have not changed over centuries and between civilizations when they power up their craft from the liberator. Bleeding heart liberal Gan always thinks the best of anyone/thing in this episode: he says the aliens might be frightened, that Zen was always on their side, and that dumping the projectile is murder. And I still can't see the "Gan as mass murderer of women" as suggested/discussed on this list back in May? Jenna has learned from Blake never to tell your crewmates what is really going on - she doesn't tell them she has been attacked. The parallel story has an excellent powerplant location, and Vila shows he is useful by opening the door. Oddly, the flutonic generator room looks just like the computer room on the London. Cally is tough and looks great in her red leather outfit - even her gun is "top notch" (another gratuitous motorhead reference - but from me, not the show) but should really not have been fooled by Blake. I would rather he had talked to her about who he/they were. Nasty Jenna is very bitchy about bringing aliens on board - but I suppose she was almost killed by one earlier - but can't she see the difference between an anti-federation freedom fighter and a heavy rock band lost in space? Why does Blake call he Liberator "control" when requesting teleport? He never does this again and neither does the rest of the crew. Maybe he hasn't found the Junior Boys Guide to Space Jargon yet. Hmm.... so many questions. - Iain

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Review: PARODIES LOST ... by Chris Blenkarn
by Sally Manton 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

(can go on your website, Judith :-)) Review: PARODIES LOST ... by Chris Blenkarn You have all heard the expression 'something for everyone' before, I'm sure. Welcome to a zine where it's not just hyperbole, but the unvarnished truth, since we have 'Blake's 7' in nearly every conceivable (and some *in* conceivable) styles here - from W H Auden to Enid Blyton (and is it a worry that Dayna and Tarrant, especially, fit sooooo beautifully into the Famous Five world?) from Jane Austen (a version of 'Hostage' which gives Travis better lines than the on-screen one) to Dorothy Parker, Dr Seuss and Charles Dickens (a version of Gan's Death that recalls Wilde's words on the death of Little Nell). And even Noel Coward ('Just Do It' - (just *begging* to be sung in public). A wonderful antidote to the over-angsted (or just looking-for-a-giggle) B7 fan it is too ... One thing I noticed when reading Chris's' previous effort, the Gilbert and Servalan Book (strongly recommended, by the way) was that, for my money, she writes the best, the *very* best, voice of Vila Restal I have ever read (and can do it in rhyme, what's more), and this is again true in Parodies Lost. The Woody Allen piece, 'Xenon base' is absolutely wonderful (I also love the fact that Chris shares my fascination with Our Heroes' domestic arrangements) as is his rewrite of the Liberator's recruitment package ("Assist in accessing resources" [Stealing's quicker]) and the *superb* "Soliloquy: After Malodaar" (after Shakespeare, of course ... alas poor Vilakins). In addition to stories and poems in all styles, we have a fabulous Gift Catalogue (Rebel Scum Ltd are obviously looking up these days, and I want a pair of the boxer shorts that detect clones), a publishing list that *might* be a boon for any fanfic writer in search of ideas ... or not, a rather ... errr .... different Programme Guide (every word of it true, too), and The Way Forward, a surreal post-Rebellion conference with a *huge* supporting cast (quite a few of whom manage to attend despite being rather - umm - dead). Oh, and a Drama Festival to die for ... I *want* the scripts of 'The Caucasian Chalk Quarry' and 'Sexual Perversity on Helotrix', Chris. Pretty? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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AutoPost: Lyst Culture Guide
by kat＠welkin.apana.org.au 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Guide to Lyst Culture ********************** (written for the B7 mailing list at <http://lists.lysator.liu.se/mailman/listinfo/blakes7>) composed by Kathryn Andersen version 1.03 Considering the number of newbies who have admitted to being nearly frightened away by the manner of folks on this list, and wondering how much larger the number who *were* frightened away, I figured it was a good idea to write a Gentle Introduction which will lift confusion and humanise the apparently terrifying denizens of these electronic halls. Me saw need, me wrote. If me make mistakes, please tell, so corrections entered. This is by no means meant to replace the actual Lyst FAQ (at <http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html>) but serve as an adjunct to it. This is *not* a rule-set of customs. It is *descriptive* not proscriptive. The actuality, not the ideal. The distillation of our understanding of what the Lyst is like, so that folks don't have to read a year's worth of posts in order to get an idea of what the heck is going on here... Also, if you're new to the net, you might find the following helpful - common E-Mail abbreviations <http://www.zeusprod.com/glossary/mailterm.html> - Netiquette (net etiquette) <http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Beginner_s_Guides/Neti…> - The Google Search Engine <http://www.google.com> which I used to find the above URLs... Lyst Culture In A Bottle ************************* What's this "Lyst" business? ============================= The mailing list <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> was, so far as I know, the first Blake's 7 (electronic) mailing list to be created (and it also predates the newsgroup). Note the "lysator" in the address. Since there are other lists (most notably, the Other List (see Lyst FAQ)), presumably to save having to say "the lysator List", a shorthand for that is simply "the Lyst". Our Esteemed Listowner, Calle, is not a woman. This doesn't stop people calling him "Cally", indeed, it would be almost irresistible not to, considering the subject of this List. Nobody outside his native country can actually pronounce his name correctly, but it may help those who want to try, to keep in mind that "Calle" comes from the same root as "Carl". Not only that, it's a common short form of Carl, in the same way that Dick is for Richard. Contrary to rumour, "lysator" does not mean "liberator" in Calle's native tongue. It apparently doesn't mean anything in particular. Posting Style ============== Unlike many other lists, we don't tend to be chatty, and off-topic posts are (after a while) encouraged to go to the Spin-off list, so that we can get down to the serious business of discussing the political systems in B7 or the nature of terrorism or how teleportation works; or the lighthearted business of Avon's red leather trousers or what kind of ice cream the particular characters would prefer, or how to recast the series. (Note: I thought the instructions for subscribing to the Spin list were in the Lyst FAQ, but it seems that they aren't. So here they are: TO POST: Send an e-mail to <b7spin(a)metva.com.au> TO SUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail with a Subject line of 'subscribe' to <b7spin-request(a)metva.com.au>. TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail with a Subject line of 'unsubscribe' to <b7spin-request(a)metva.com.au>. ) It isn't a required custom on this list to introduce yourself, though a few people like to. People also don't tend to issue a formal welcome to newbies -- we just get on with the discussion and expect folks to join in (or not). Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. We're always interested in fresh ideas. If someone doesn't respond to your posting it could simply be because they agreed with it -- and didn't want to write a "me too" post. On the other hand, feel free to consider this unfriendly... but if you do, then it behooves you to go and welcome people, don't it? If the Lyst seems particularly busy and snarky, it's probably February. Odd Acronyms and Other Collections ================================== If you are confused by people referring to "the wrath of FINALACT" or suchlike, be confused no longer. As with many online fandoms, groups of like-minded fans often declare allegiance to their particular favourite characters, and form groups. Generally in order to be part of such a group... one simply declares oneself to be part of it. One doesn't have to be part of any group at all, and these groups are not meant to be taken deadly seriously either. Though some are more tongue-in-cheek than others. Often they are formed of those who consider their view to be a minority one. The Tarrant Nostra ------------------ Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who needs them? The first known reference to the Tarrant Nostra by that name is apparently in 1995, though the core group was around for longer than that. The name sprung from the mind of Brooke Barker. This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is "The Godmother" of the Tarrant Nostra; other members may not be so clearly identified. See Also <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TarrantNostra/tarrant.htm> F.I.N.A.L.A.C.T. ---------------- This stands for "Foundation Invalidating Numerous Accusations Levelled At Croucher's Travis". These are the fans who prefer Brian Croucher's Travis, aka Travis II. They have a tendency to threaten detractors with The Comfy Chair, Karaoke music and Teletubby torture. Jacqueline Thijsen is the Chief Inquisitor. Penny Dreadful is their Queen, hopeful of being elevated to godhood, so that Iain Coleman can be Pope. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=26736> G.I.T.H.O.G. ------------ This stands for "Greif Is Travis, House Of Greif". Byline -- 'In Time, We All Come to Greif'. These are the fans who prefer Stephen Grief's Travis, aka Travis I. They appear to be less active than FINALACT, probably because they don't perceive themselves to be in the minority. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=33344> A.S.K.S. -------- Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits go against the flow of Avon fans because they don't give a fig whether he looks sexy in black leather, they just identify with him. Kathryn Andersen made up this acronym, so she is presumably the founding member. Gareth's Gorillas ----------------- Fans who are into Gareth Thomas and his work, as distinct from just being interested in Blake (though they are interested in Blake too). Chief Gorilla is Judith Proctor. One may see them at cons wearing "Gareth's Gorilla" badges. The Gan Defence League ---------------------- Those who appreciate the unsung and oft under-appreciated Olag Gan. Judith Proctor goes around distributing oak leaves to those who stand up for Gan and say nice things about him. S.C.A.M. -------- Society for Crushing Animals Maligners, given a name by Una McCormack, the (almost) sole person who not only liked the episode "Animals", but strives to defend it. Dedicated to the art of Justinification (justifying Justin). Followers of the Goddess ------------------------ The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Ophelia (aka Kanna-Ophelia, aka (name suppressed on request))... not quite as gone as we thought. J.A.D.E. -------- Jarriere's Always Discriminating Enthusiasts don't actually tend to use this acronym a lot, but their influence has been far-reaching; not only did they get this minor character who only appeared in one episode (Gambit... Travis called him a powder-puff) into the top 20 of an online poll of favourite SF characters.... but they actually persuaded a fannish model-maker to include Jarriere into their line of die-cast models (after Avon, Blake, Travis and Vila). They are led by Harriet Monkhouse, who, after another Harriet joined the Lyst in 2001, decided to style herself Jarriet (or Harriere) to cut down on possibilities of mistaken identity. Avon Without Guilt ------------------ Not a terribly active group these days, but Pat Nussman founded "AWG" -- Avon Without Guilt. As in, yes, we *know* it's terribly common; we *know* that more discerning tastes move on from their first attraction to the Dark and Snarly One in favor of the more arcane delights of, oh, The Thane and Bruce; we *know* he has a less than stellar character. So what? We still love him, and we refuse to be guilty about it. It is worthwhile noting that Barbara Paul dedicated one of her novels to the Avon Without Guilt group. See <http://www.barbarapaul.com/holland.html> Sickly Equines =============== Certain topics have a habit of coming up over and over again. I'm reluctant to call them dead horses, because it can be the case that a newbie can actually offer new insight that nobody's thought of before, and pass the hand of healing over what was once assumed to be a corpse. - Hey, Maybe Avon Shot Blake's Clone! - Was Blake a Freedom Fighter Or A Terrorist? Should Blake Have Destroyed Star One? - Avon Was Mad (No He Wasn't) - Was Travis only following orders? Hot Topics ========== One topic which is pretty much guaranteed to start the fires burning no matter how nicely and calmly people may start the discussion, is slash. If you don't know what slash is, don't worry, since you probably don't want to argue about it either. An oldish summary of the pro-slash position from Susan Beth can be found at <ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/misc/slash.defense> A summary of the anti-slash position is at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/slashsum.html> Another topic which tends to set the sparks flying is Horizon, the biggest and oldest B7 fan club. Or, more specifically, its Coodinator/Treasurer/etc, Diane Gies. I'm not going to reiterate it here, that would just stir people up again. Any topic can raise the temperature if it is pursued obnoxiously enough. There has been steam coming out of ears over - whether Deliverance is Sexist - posting style - con reports - religion just to name a few. But don't let that scare you off, we're generally quite calm and rational... Signs that a thread has gone on too long at too high a temperature are - posters start repeating themselves (worst case, reposting earlier posts of their own) - postings degenerate into a "he said, she said" dissection of why what so-and-so said was insulting. INTJ? MBTI? Huh? ================== Once upon a time, someone first brought up the idea of figuring out the Myers-Briggs (personality) Type Indicator for each of the characters. It was mentioned briefly once before, but the topic truly exploded in February 1998 when Adam Fuller posted this -- <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=21161> Much discussion ensued, and many people went off to <http://www.keirsey.com> to take the personality tests there to figure out their own type. Of those who took the tests and actually reported back, the majority appeared to be either INTJ or INTP types (and, oddly enough, the consensus was that Avon was either an INTJ or an INTP). This probably explains why the posting style of the list appears so unfriendly -- half of us are closet Avons. Some people are sick of this topic. Others remain fascinated by it. Penguins? What's that got to do with B7? ========================================= The connection between penguins and B7 can only be explained by the one who discovered the sinister conspiracy in the first place. For some reason, Calle seems to think it was Una McCormack, but the rest of the world blames it on Neil Faulkner. <http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm> Except for Neil, who blames it on Alison Page. Acknowledgements ================ Thanks (in no particular order) to Penny Dreadful, Calle Dybedahl, Neil Faulkner, Una McCormack, Tavia, Mistral, Steve Rogerson, Ophelia, Andrew Williams, Sandra Kisner, M, Harriet Monkhouse, Jacqueline Thijsen, Wildean, Harriet, Carol McCoy, Susan Beth, Tiger M, Sandra Kisner, Carolyn, DDJ for additions, comments and corrections. Where To Find It ================ This FAQ-ish thing can be found on the web at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/lyst.html> and posted on the Lyst once a month. Thu Aug 23 01:06:00 EST 2001

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