Blakes7 August 2001

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RE: [B7L] Re: Avon Algebra
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> wrote: >Dana Shilling wrote: > >> This is from Star One: >> AVON: Show me a man who believes in anything >> and I will show you a fool >> >> Rumours: >> Of all the things I knew myself to be, I never >> recognized the fool >> >> So, does that mean that by that point he believed in >> something? > >[LOL!] Well, "if A then B" does not actually imply "if B then A," so >the logical answer is "not necessarily." :) I do suspect, alas, that he >*did*, in fact, belive in Anna... Which did turn out to be pretty >foolish, not that I'm blaming him... > > >[apologies if you get this twice, Dana...] > >-- >Betty Ragan ** ragan(a)sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ And early on Avon says 'money is the only reality' Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: [B7L] Jarriere sighting
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Stephen wrote: >> Terminal: A prelude >> >>Funereal Music (Wagner's death march from the >>Gottedamerung or the Space Command theme from B7) >> >>A Federation battle cruiser descends onto the surface >>of Terminal watched by Jarriere and a mutoid. Jarriere >>is clad in golfing clothes. The mutoid holds his golf >>club bag. Finally it lands. A door opens and a ramp >>descends. Servalan, clad in a charming, if >>impracticable, off the corner number walks down the >>ramp followed by assistants in the tasteful garb >>favoured by Federation personnel on Terminal. > >Hurrah! Another one for the Jarriere website whenever I work out how to >do a website, I hope? >-- >Harriet > So what would the character's 'theme tunes' be if they had them? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon Algebra
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Kathryn Andersen <kat(a)welkin.apana.org.au> wrote: >On Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 04:50:00PM -0400, jacquispeel(a)netscape.net wrote: >> And early on Avon says 'money is the only reality' > ><pedantic> >"Wealth is the only reality. And the only way to obtain wealth is to >take it away from somebody else. Wake up, Blake! You may not be >tranquilized any longer, but you're still dreaming." > -- Kerr Avon (Blake's 7: Spacefall [A2]) ></pedantic> > >Hmmm, I wonder what a Blake's 7/The Matrix crossover would be like...? > >Kathryn Andersen I was quoting from memory Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Re: democracy
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> wrote: >> Does anyone remember if >> there is any mention of democratic elections within the federation itself? >> - Iain >> >I don't think there is, but one thing that makes me think there is some >pretense of elections is that Blake's first work was with the Freedom >Party. Doesn't the word 'party' politically imply that there is room >political participation among 'the people' and some form, however >rigged, of election? > > There is a saying to the effect that any State with the word 'Democratic' in its official country title usually isn't. Is Blake trying to create not necessarily a more 'democratic' state/Federation but one which is more responsive/less hostile to the people it governs - two different things. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Re: democracy
by Sally Manton 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Helen wrote: <I don't think there is, but one thing that makes me think there is some pretense of elections is that Blake's first work was with the Freedom Party. Doesn't the word 'party' politically imply that there is room political participation among 'the people' and some form, however rigged, of election?> Not necessarily. Bran Foster implies that the Freedom Party was one of many 'activist groups', and that they worked pretty much in secret dissidence (they were betrayed and Blake captured). The name could be a deliberate archaic echo, born of Blake's interest in and knowledge of history; a self-conscious reference to the term used when there *were* open and free political associations. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Re:democracy
by Sally Manton 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Helen K wrote: <Once the Federation is replaced, there will doubtlessly be other urgent problems. Do people learn to vote on them, or does the person with the most power say "We do it my way, for now"? If that happens, democracy never has a chance.> Now there are urgent problems and there are urgent *problems* ... and then there's war, which cannot be run by a show of hands (the Athenians tried something fairly close, and it was a disaster). Britain basically suspended *all* elections for the duration of the Second World War (and habeas corpus got a fair old bashing as well) - basically suspending democracy as we know it while busy defending it. Yes, the USA held an election in the middle of the Civil War - but that is the exception that proves the rule, something that historians hold up as a quite unprecedented (and rarely if ever emulated) act - an example of what an amazing thing a *stable* political system could manage. Neither the B7 universe nor the Liberator comes under my heading of a stable political system anyway <g> and the 'one-potato' system of counting heads may seem simpler but with this lot would simply mean that the muddle-and-go-nowhere of S3 started two years early and Travis squashed them flat while Vila and Avon (at the very *least*) were still arguing the toss. The point - for me - about both the British suspension of democracy as and the Blakean variety on board the Liberator is that in both cases the people involved (the British public in general, and Our Heroes) basically agreed to said suspension (and yes they did. Even Avon. They could have refused to obey him, individually or together, at any point, and they chose not to, he never *had* to force the issue or resort to threats). Whatever came after the federation would certainly *not* be democracy as we know it, IMO - the total lack of experience with the concept in its modern, complicated form, plus the mental and spiritual effect on every citizen within the Federation of *living* within such a corrosive society, would make it impossible. It would be a harsher, more flawed system than any of us live in (or a myriad of different independent systems all working things out in different, faltering, sometimes bloodied ways). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re:democracy
by Helen Krummenacker 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

> Blake had a feeling of urgency and sometimes he probably just couldn't > understand how come others don't have it. It reminds me of a poem by Bertold > Brecht, Buddha's Tale of a Burning Home. Buddha sees a burning house. He > enters and yells to the people that their roof is in flame, and that they > should come out quickly. But they're not in a hurry. One of them, whose hair > is already singed, asks whether it's rainy or windy outside, whether there > are other houses nearby, and so on. Buddha says, 'To those who think this > world isn't so hot that they'd rather replace it with any other than stay > here - I've got nothing to say.' For Blake, the Federation is a burning > house. The others are still discussing the weather. Democratically. > Which means missing the point of democracy; you have to persuade the others it is urgent. Once the Federation is replaced, there will doubtlessly be other urgent problems. Do people learn to vote on them, or does the person with the most power say "We do it my way, for now"? If that happens, democracy never has a chance. Begin as you mean to continue.

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Re: Avon Algebra
by Betty Ragan 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

Dana Shilling wrote: > This is from Star One: > AVON: Show me a man who believes in anything > and I will show you a fool > > Rumours: > Of all the things I knew myself to be, I never > recognized the fool > > So, does that mean that by that point he believed in > something? [LOL!] Well, "if A then B" does not actually imply "if B then A," so the logical answer is "not necessarily." :) I do suspect, alas, that he *did*, in fact, belive in Anna... Which did turn out to be pretty foolish, not that I'm blaming him... [apologies if you get this twice, Dana...] -- Betty Ragan ** ragan(a)sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." -- an "anti-inspirational" poster

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Avon Algebra
by Dana Shilling 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

This is from Star One: AVON: Show me a man who believes in anything and I will show you a fool Rumours: Of all the things I knew myself to be, I never recognized the fool So, does that mean that by that point he believed in something? -(Y)

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Re: Josette Simon
by Helen Krummenacker 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

"There are no small roles, only small actors." Perhaps the actors who try to avoid discussion of old but popular roles should think about whether or not they made the most out of the material-- and if they did, acknowlege their work with pride. If they didn't, bragging about their other roles hardly proves their worth. Pet peeve of mine, really. And it's usually the women who do it, often seeing their role as just being sex appeal. And it's the actors who LOVE whatever they do that are the most fun to watch.

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