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Strong Women Of TV and Film Convention
by Steve Rogerson 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Just forwarding this on. I suggest we give them a few B7 suggestions. > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:29:37 -0700, Sharon D.(outback(a)creationent.com) wrote: > > YOUR GUEST SUGGESTIONS WANTED! > > We are launching a series of events next year with the theme of STRONG > WOMEN OF TELEVISION AND FILM. Besides Xena guests, who would you like > to see? It can be old shows, shows already on the air or new shows > just starting. > > Let us know and thanks for your help. > > Sharon > Official Xena Fan Club -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Fwd: Re: Re: FW: [B7L] Alma Mater
by Sally Manton 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Natasa wrote: <It wasn't Ellynne, it was me, but in a Blakish manner, 'I forgive you'.> Oops, sorry :-) <Actually it's curious that B7 doesn't have a physician as a regular character and crew member. Last evening I watched an episode of 'Deep Space 9' and it occured to me that in Trek and its sequels there's always a physician playing a prominent role.> <grin> they could have had a doctor or nurse as one of the London prisoners, but I'm sure Vila or Avon would have wanted to make damn sure what he was convicted of before he got anywhere *their* precious persons ... Pity Renor didn't survive (he'd been quite fun once Jenna slapped him down a few hundred times) or better still (though rather late) Dr Bellfriar. Or maybe Jarriere was a cybersurgeon!!!! (close enough if you aren't in a position to be fussy?) We aren't given much idea what he does do, after all ... <Hence, on the 'material' level, B7 could use a regular doctor character to heal all the battle wounds. On the 'symbolical' level, however, there's no need for a doctor becuase Dr Blake tends to 'cure' the society in a bit more drastic way.> OTOH, they could use one for *him* - physically (being the hero, he gets dumped on rather more than the rest) or metaphorically as he is IMO clearly reaching the limits of his strength, and while Cally may be able to stand in for the former, none of the crew he has *can* fill the latter role. A situation copied and magnified with Avon in S4. Me: <OTOH, what with battle wounds, they've hopefully had a fair bit of practice in the mudical unit since Breakdown - there *is* a practical reason for all Avon's fanfictional Suffering, you know ...> and Natasa: You mean, he suffers additionally because they're clumsy and can't heal him properly? (No, I know it's not what you meant but it would be a nice piece of fanfic...)> Love the idea ... though he'd probably suffer quite sufficiently anyway; no matter who was trying to do the 'nursing', he'd probably find them intolerable (except maybe Cally, and possibly Soolin. If it were Gan, Vila or Tarrant, there'd be even more bloodshed. Theirs :-)) But - whether one likes it or not - part of Avon's raison d'etre in fanfic is to be the hurtee in hurt-comfort; 'tis nice to be able to claim that this would enable the rest to get lots of practice with the brand-new you-beaut where-the-hell-do-we-stick-this alien equipment. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: Re: Re: FW: [B7L] Alma Mater
by Sally Manton 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Ellynne wrote: <I've always assumed Gan had some knowledge in medicine; he treats Jenna in Time Squad and Blake in Duel.> Strikes me as more a knowledge of first-aid (or even a basic paramedical course) than serious medical skill - or maybe he was a nurse? BTW, that's one thing I always *liked* about Breakdown, none of the crew suddenly disclosed a medical background when needed. They clearly still don't have much idea what they're doing with that equipment. Also BTW, that rather unnerves me when Blake, in Orac, suggests that they do the operation on Ensor. Sure, he doesn't have any choice at that stage, but the idea of Our Heroes messing around with scalpels is a tad worrying. OTOH, what with battle wounds, they've hopefully had a fair bit of practice in the mudical unit since Breakdown - there *is* a practical reason for all Avon's fanfictional Suffering, you know ... <But perhaps this is just because the script writers couldn't find anything more meaningful for him to do,> Just 'cause in the episode they *wrote* for him, he spent the whole of it strapped down and twitching ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Re: FW: [B7L] Alma Mater
by Natasa Tucev 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Sally wrote: <Ellynne wrote: <I've always assumed Gan had some knowledge in medicine; he treats Jenna in Time Squad and Blake in Duel.> It wasn't Ellynne, it was me, but in a Blakish manner, 'I forgive you'. <Strikes me as more a knowledge of first-aid (or even a basic paramedical course) than serious medical skill - or maybe he was a nurse?> Yes, I meant to say that he was some kind of medical assistant. <BTW, that's one thing I always *liked* about Breakdown, none of the crew suddenly disclosed a medical background when needed. They clearly still don't have much idea what they're doing with that equipment.> Actually it's curious that B7 doesn't have a physician as a regular character and crew member. Last evening I watched an episode of 'Deep Space 9' and it occured to me that in Trek and its sequels there's always a physician playing a prominent role. I've suggested to my students that the great number of physicians peopling the works of modern literature probably indicate the authors' feeling that the society is ill. The physicians and psychologists in Trek sequels may present some kind of subconscious admission that the Federation is ill. In B7 we know it's ill. Hence, on the 'material' level, B7 could use a regular doctor character to heal all the battle wounds. On the 'symbolical' level, however, there's no need for a doctor becuase Dr Blake tends to 'cure' the society in a bit more drastic way. <OTOH, what with battle wounds, they've hopefully had a fair bit of practice in the mudical unit since Breakdown - there *is* a practical reason for all Avon's fanfictional Suffering, you know ...> You mean, he suffers additionally because they're clumsy and can't heal him properly? (No, I know it's not what you meant but it would be a nice piece of fanfic...) N.

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Re: [B7L] decentring morality
by Ellynne G. 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:21:46 +0100 "Alison Page" <alison(a)alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes: > This is a very interesting chain of thought, Natasa. > > >Paul Darrow mentions > >in an interview that he was told by the writers, 'We think now that > Blake's > >gone you ought to be a little more moral', which he obviously > refused. > > LOL Actually, I thought he was, in some ways. But then, I saw Avon as seeing Blake as embodying certain principles he consciously refuted while wanting to believe in them on another. Hence, with Blake present, he was always willing to argue against them but, without Blake, he actually felt a need _not_ to. > > >B7 obviously toys with the 'uncertainty principle', probably not > >because of any conscious interaction with deconstructionism, but > simply > >because they both reflect our age. > > I sometimes wonder to what extent the formal convolutions of B7, the > kind of > thing you mention in this post, were thought through at all, by > anyone. It's > not just reflecting the age, I don't think, because you wouldn't > find it in > any other show of the time. But I'm not suggesting anybody put it > there on > purpose either. The thing about B7 is that there are so many things that I'm sure no one consciously put in (and, some would argue, that aren't present outside of the minds of some of the viewers), yet they're _there_. Maybe it's because some things feel right to writers, actors, whoever, even when they aren't _consciously_ created. I'm still thinking over Natasa's post, and it's got a very right feel to it. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Alma Mater
by Ellynne G. 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:08:24 -0600 Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> writes: > Sally Manton wrote: > > > Also BTW, that rather unnerves me when Blake, in Orac, suggests > that they do > > the operation on Ensor. Sure, he doesn't have any choice at that > stage, but > > the idea of Our Heroes messing around with scalpels is a tad > worrying. > > I imagine that that would probably be a *much* simpler and more > routine > operation than repairing the limiter, though. Well, just because they'd sent one of the Federation's best surgeon's before doesn't mean that it wasn't a flip it open, take out the old batteries, toss in the new ones kind of device. They probably just needed a doctor to do it or it wasn't covered by warranty. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Avalon and Aliases
by Pseudnik 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Does anybody know (or is anybody willing to speculate) whether "Avalon" is intended to be the character's real name or just an assumed identity? What about Cancer? Is she really called Piri, or is that just another alias? Also, which character in the B7 universe uses the most aliases (Anna Grant springs instantly to mind)? Lastly, did the real Shivan have a hilarious fake Jewish accent, or was Travis just over-acting? Pseudnik. "Don't let the milk floats ride your mind."

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Re: Re: FW: [B7L] Alma Mater
by Natasa Tucev 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Dana wrote: >> <Of course, in MY fanfic he used to be a bank manager.> I've always assumed Gan had some knowledge in medicine; he treats Jenna in Time Squad and Blake in Duel. But perhaps this is just because the script writers couldn't find anything more meaningful for him to do, or because it fits his 'gentle giant' image. N.

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Re: Fwd: [B7L] Auron inconsistencies
by Ellynne G. 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:38:20 +0000 "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Ellynne wrote: > <The first part's obvious. Avon offended everyone on the planet, > and > Cally had to work hard to keep them from killing him. But what was > the > second part, something so bad or surprising to _this_ bunch?> > > > Or perhaps not. But seriously, threatening to expose that Avon's > done > something awful is hardly going to work IMO; threatening to > embarrass him in > front of Dayna and Del would be much more satisfactory. > Oops, I think I wasn't saying what I meant. What I meant was 1) Cally got exiled (again?) because of something the others did (stealing the crown jewels sounds like a good possibility), but that 2) there was something else involved. For example, instead of just exile, maybe the Aurons said, if she wanted to get her friends off their planet in one piece, she would have to agree to . . . what? Given that Aurons don't usually pull some of the sick stunts the Federation is into, the Twilight Zone-ish twists are limited. Getting her people the DNA to clone the most effective military leader around in case they decided _not_ to be neutral (we know it wasn't Servalan's [not that she was that great but the PR might have foolded them])? Getting them the DNA profiles of the Liberator's crew ("Og, say hello to your father, Vila")? None of these seem likely. Still, how big a favor do you have to promise to make an entire planet forgive Avon and Vila? And have it be something so bad _Tarrant_ would be creeped out to hear it? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Re: FW: [B7L] Alma Mater
by Ellynne G. 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:54:14 -0400 (EDT) sjk3(a)cornell.edu writes: > Oh, but you must remember that they were all Happy Fingers! > And, of > course, the kid was right. Dr. T *was* plotting. How do you think > Dr. T > and Servalan would have gotten along? Personally, I think he > wouldn't have > lasted a day, much less a week. But it would be so much more fun if he kept getting the better of her. Come to think of it, using 500 piano students to take over the world makes a lot more sense than some of the plans she used. > > And what room on the Liberator would have corresponded to the > room > with the keyboard all around the edge? The wardrobe room. If it was designed by Dr. Seuss, it would explain so much. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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