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Re: Theme Songs
by Ellynne G. 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

I suppose everyone can see the B7 connection with this one - This is a song For your poor sick penguin Who's got a fever And is feeling blue But if I sing To your poor sick penguin He will feel better In a day or two. Chorus: Yah-dah-la-dee-yah-da-la-dee-yah-da-la-dee Yah-dah-la-dee-yah-da-la-dee-yah-da-la-loo Yah-dah-la-dee-yah-da-la-dee-yah-da-la-dee Yah-dah-la-dee-yah-da-la-dee-yah-da-la-loo Yah-dee-dah-dee-da-be-da-be-dabba-doo There's another song that I'm not sure would be for the crew, the Federation guards, or various villains they met, but it seems like it ought to fit some of the slower episodes. It also lists some of the things that even the dimmer villains never did. We are the pirates Who don't do anything We just like to Lie around And if you ask us To do anything We'll just tell you We don't do anything Well, I've never licked a spark plug And I've never sniffed a stink bug And I've never painted daisies on a big red rubber ball And I've never bathed in yogurt And I don't look good in leggings And I've never been to Boston in the Fall In a (slightly) more serious vein (with apologies to A.A. Milne) Fans of B7 White hats and Black All of us waiting Till Blake comes back Some say that Roj Blake Was lost and then killed Some say he won't come back Some say he will Remember the season When Roj went away? Here we've been waiting For many a day Fans of B7 Their still watch keep Is he living? Or does he sleep? Slowly and slowly Dawns the new day What's become of Roj Blake? No one can say. Some think that Roj Blake Is lost on the hill. Some say he won't come back, Some say he will. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Recommendations, anyone (was Re: Theme Songs)
by Ellynne G. 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

You could rent The Prisoner and imagine it's Avon or one of the others in the Village. Actually, their different reactions to being there might be interesting. Blake, upon waking up in the sinister village with its facade of pleasantness and learning they want to pump him for information and warp him around to their way of thinking - "Oh, no. Not again." Vila - "Information? What information? Do you want this on a single page or in triplicate?" Avon - Actually, it's an even bet whether he gets stubborn and decides to die rather than be forced into doing something or whether he simply asks how much they're paying for what he knows. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Re: democracy
by Ellynne G. 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:34:34 -0700 Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> writes: > > ObB7: I'm not a bit certain that Blake was advocating anything > approaching equality or democracy. After all, 'not until free men > can > think and speak' doesn't necessarily imply that all men should be > free. > (OK, that's weak, but "I'm tired and I hurt.") > My opinion (this week) is that Blake may have been advocating strict Republicanism (actually, this can be prone to all sorts of abuses, too, but let's not go there). Under this theory, the Federation had been sort of Republican, with officials chosen under more or less (by Blake's time, much less) democratic forms but who then had more or less autocratic powers. In Blake's time, the process had been corrupted on three counts 1) The lack of true choice in all or nearly all levels of election (either manipulation so one candidate would win or candidates who represented the same interests). 2) Limitations of electorate. Just a guess, but I'd suppose the different citizen grades had different limits in how much they could participate. 3) Erosion of traditional safe guards. Some autocrats are more autocratic than others. There may have been things which weren't rights in a legal context but that were traditionally observed in the past. Blake, who often assumed autocratic rights on the Liberator, may have felt that people had the right to chose their own autocratics and to be fully informed when they did so. After that, they had the right to leave or follow orders. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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RE: Chronicles 66 now available
by JEB31538＠cs.com 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

CHRONICLES 66 now available I already have my copy of CHRONICLES 66 and I must say that I especially like the cover. Whenever you get your copy of CHRONICLES 66, be sure to check it out carefully. Andrew was particularly imaginative when he created it. CHRONICLES 67--the Blake issue I hope some of you writers interested in Blake or in Avon and Blake do submit stories for the Blake issue which Andrew says he hopes will come out this December or January. I would assume then that Andrew is hoping for some more stories to come in by this September and October. I'm definitely looking forward to this issue. CHRONICLES is a genzine. Am I right in thinking no other genzine has had such a long run with so many issues? Besides the 66 issues so far, I believe there have been four annuals, the annuals being much bigger zines. Joyce

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Christmas is coming
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

At least as far as the first of the stationery catalogues and 'book your Christmas parties now' Assuming in the Federation there is a 'general spend your money and buy gifts for everyone' festival, any ideas? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Re: democracy
by Natasa Tucev 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

Mistral wrote: >ObB7: I'm not a bit certain that Blake was advocating anything >approaching equality or democracy. After all, 'not until free men can >think and speak' doesn't necessarily imply that all men should be free. I think it does, actually it simply denotes the basic actions which (in Blake's opinion) make one free - that one is allowed to think and speak. However, to show Blake's excitement and determination, Terry Nation has given him a phrase consisting of short, monosyllabic words, practically each of which is stressed ('free 'men can 'think and 'speak). It even may have been 'free man' in the original script, which Gareth replaced with plural unawares because the vowel is short there. This sentence is meant to be shouted out. The real meaning is, 'not until men (i.e., everybody) can think and speak freely' or 'not until men are free to think and speak', but that probably would have been less forceful, and also clumsy for the actor to declaim. What Blake said is a sort of elliptic, 'poetic' version of the same thing. N.

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Re: [B7L] Recommendations, anyone (was Re: Theme Songs)
by Sally Manton 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

Joanne wrote: <The android I can live with, in a manner of speaking; though the episode does push a button marked "Avon is a big meanie", with regard to one particular interaction with Vena. But that's just me, as previous discussions on this theme have shown.> <grin> I think many of us - love him as we do - have one of those buttons, don't we? <I am surprised, now that I think of it, that you didn't mention Gambit (and that I didn't think of it, for that matter). In my present state, I am deeply in sympathy with Jarriere...> Gambit is a rather good pick-me-up, certainly, and not just for My Favourite Gnome ... aren't Krantor and Toise a welcome sight after Justin and Og? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Afterlife
by Steve Rogerson 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

Kathryn said: "any novel is actually too long to do as a standard-length movie" And if you cut the rubbish out of Afterlife it would be too short. At least Avon: ATA wasn't boring. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Recommendations, anyone (was Re: Theme Songs)
by Sally Manton 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

Joanne: <Anyone want to recommend an episode that might be therapeutic for my poor, shaken mental faculties? Don't say Deathwatch, for my sight has been blasted as it is...> and Una: <How about Orbit? Anyway, Deathwatch is bloody brilliant.> <grin> maybe those of us who find Avon with sausages on his shoulders and Steven Pacey in a great-aunt's second-best wig rather distracting could try closing our eyes and just listening. Pretend it's a radio play and Avon's wearing his rather nice Volcano duds - would that work, Joanne? 'Nother suggestion to soothe frayed nerves, BTW ... City on the Edge of the World. Yes? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: democracy
by Helen Krummenacker 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

> Does anyone remember if > there is any mention of democratic elections within the federation itself? > - Iain > I don't think there is, but one thing that makes me think there is some pretense of elections is that Blake's first work was with the Freedom Party. Doesn't the word 'party' politically imply that there is room political participation among 'the people' and some form, however rigged, of election?

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