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Welsh Assembly Building
by Leia Fee 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Naa Blake's 7 could never afford anything that shiny on their budget. It is a pretty stupid looking building though for the obscene amount that's being spent on it. Leia.

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Re: [B7L] Crossovers - worst and otherwise
by Sally Manton 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Jacqui suggested: <How about gardening/cooking/home decoration programs?> Actually, your average zine quite often has something to say about the latter two suggestions :-); the paucity of information in the series REALLY frustrating those of us who really want to know what Avon's bedroom and Vila's cooking is like. It's infuriating how bare and spartan everything is. I'm not asking for Home Beautiful - even if Blake only decorates his cabin with scribbled pages of revolutionary history, clothes all over the floor and 'coffee' mugs and pens and books and the odd Liberator curling wand/gun and starmaps and Orac's key ("so that's what was digging into my back all night") all over the bed, and rather strange gifts from grateful (but hopelessly unimaginatove or terrifyingly IMaginative) rescuees threatening to fall off the shelves because the others insist he keeps them in *his own* room if he won't refuse or get rid of them ... well, it would be a joy for us character junkies to see. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Torture in the Federation
by Sally Manton 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Steve Rogerson wrote: <I was watching Seek-Locate-Destroy last night and was thinking about what happened to Cally during her capture. We know she was tortured and we know from Project Avalon a few episodes later that the Federation have torture methods that will get prisoners to tell all they know.> Mmmm, yes, though do remember, Centero was a communications base, not a prison like the ice planet in Project Avalon. The equipment used on Avalon (and for that matter, on Blake back on Earth) would be unlikely to be duplicated where it's not of use, and didn't exactly look portable; also, it appears from the torture scene in SLD that the actual torture is carried out in the medical section, and Cally is *then* transferred to the 'interrrogation room', but not questioned further when there (just dumped there as bait). We're given several different types of torture scenes in the series, not always cohesive; there's [a] the heavy-duty, irresistable torture machines, set up IMO in maximum-security prisons and used on VIP victims like Blake and Avalon; [b] the 'interrogation division' which travel to places like Centero (and presumably bring their own equipment); [c] your more common-or-garden human torturers like Shrinker in RoD (which does raise the question of why they'd bring in the 'top' torturer for this nameless prisoner but not whack him into an Avalon-type machine - and why Avon and co were obviously confident that they wouldn't do the latter. Either said machines *were* so rare that they were only used for the most important prisoners, or maybe the security centres they were housed at were some of the main targets during the just-squashed rebellion and they were all destroyed. [d] machines like those used on Horizon, obviously not as effective as those in [a] though possibly more lethal. Back to Steve: <What did Cally tell them during her torture. She obviously had detailed knowledge of Auron freedom fighters as well as Auron society and cloning information - was that where Servalan got the idea from for her cloning escapade on Auron?> Nice idea, but I doubt that Travis was much interested in Auron dissidents at that point. Just one very human one :-) <As to the Liberator, the identities of the crew were already known to the Federation, so no damage there.> Are we sure about that? The Federation knows that Blake's collected together a group of ex-convicts from the London, and would definitely know that Jenna and Avon had gone with him onto the Liberator, but possibly not exactly who of the Cygnus Alpha dumpees made it through that escapade and got a berth. OTOH, would he *care* about Gan and Vila? <Though she knew some of the capabilities of the Liberator itself, this was surely little more than could have been gleaned from watching it in action a couple of times. What else could she tell them?> The *precise* range of the teleport, which he does know half-way through SLD and which I can't see anyone working out without actual testing (e g - outsiders would only know via one of the crew). Maybe about the bracelets? (Though he probably already suspected, given that the base workers saw Blake speaking into one and two minutes later, the backup team appeared out of thin air. OTOH, he seems more interested in Cally's gun than her bracelet, which indicates he *doesn't* have the full story yet.) Anything and everything they could drag from her about the Liberator's capabilities, especially where these could be attacked (such as how much power the power banks *hold,* so he could calculate when it might be drained and vulnerable a la Duel?) Anything she might know about Blake's plans or contacts (like - though it's early - that he's made tentative contacts with people like Avalon?) Travis does make his priorities clear: "We'll want to know about Blake, the ship, his crew, his plans." <2. What did Federation torture methods consist of? We saw in S-L-D them preparing some sort of liquid, but we learned very little of what actually was done. Any ideas?> Most of it (in S1-2) seems to involve messing with the mind rather than physical stuff (The Way Back, SLD, Avalon, Horizon ... someone tell me if I've forgotten something). This would of course be 'helpful' in any following trials, since the accused is unmarked and no signs of 'coercion' are visible ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Welsh Assembly
by Steve Rogerson 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Harriet quoted an Andy Cozens in a Daily Telegraph article on the new Welsh Assembly building's democratic roof: ""Does that mean we can all sit on it? It's quite a ridiculous statement, isn't it. This thing just looks like something out of Blake's Seven or Blue Peter." You can check it out yourself at: http://www.wales.gov.uk/assemblybuilding -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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An unexpected mention
by Harriet Monkhouse 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

An unexpected mention in a newspaper report on the crisis over the Welsh Assembly building in Cardiff, whose construction has halted after a row with the architect over costs. The building is intended to have a "democratic roof", a concept not explained in the article, and derided by Andy Cozens, one of several local citizens interviewed by the Daily Telegraph. Mr Cozens said "Does that mean we can all sit on it? It's quite a ridiculous statement, isn't it. This thing just looks like something out of Blake's Seven or Blue Peter." Early maniac, anyone? -- Harriet Jarriere: "Ah, you mean - er - I'm not following." - Gambit

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Re: [B7L] Crossovers (or should that be leftovers?)
by Sally Manton 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

After I wrote: <Okay, since we're a little slow, would anyone like to play "nominate the worst possible cross-over?"> Andrew W offered: <On The Buses.> <shudder> Too horrible to contemplate. You win. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Torture in the Federation
by Steve Rogerson 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Actually, I probably had tortue on the brain after watching the Xena episode Who's Gurkhan on Sky earlier last night. They do show what happens, though Sky apparently cut the torture scene back a bit. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Torture in the Federation
by Steve Rogerson 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

I was watching Seek-Locate-Destroy last night and was thinking about what happened to Cally during her capture. We know she was tortured and we know from Project Avalon a few episodes later that the Federation have torture methods that will get prisoners to tell all they know. This raises two questions: 1. What did Cally tell them during her torture. She obviously had detailed knowledge of Auron freedom fighters as well as Auron society and cloning information - was that where Servalan got the idea from for her cloning escapade on Auron? As to the Liberator, the identities of the crew were already known to the Federation, so no damage there. Though she knew some of the capabilities of the Liberator itself, this was surely little more than could have been gleaned from watching it in action a couple of times. What else could she tell them? 2. What did Federation torture methods consist of? We saw in S-L-D them preparing some sort of liquid, but we learned very little of what actually was done. Any ideas? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Gidget in Space
by Andrew Williams 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Sally wrote: >Keeping Up Appearances? <loud, shrill Hyacinth voice:> "Mind the pursuit ship, Richard!!!" PS Why is the ABC repeating this *again*? PPS Avon can't be the flying nun because then he would be able to get off the shuttle in Orbit too easily.

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Crossovers (or should that be leftovers?)
by Andrew Williams 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Sally Manton wrote: > > Okay, since we're a little slow, would anyone like to play "nominate the > worst possible cross-over?" On The Buses.

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