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Re: [B7L] Gidget in Space (no discernable trace of Unified Field Theory left ...)
by J MacQueen 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> >Playschool? (Avon could supply the Teddy <g> <grin> Ooh, now there's an unusual variation on the joke... Regards Joanne (Why is Playschool dangerous? Well, now...) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Crossovers - worst and otherwise
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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AutoPost: Lyst Culture Guide
by kat＠welkin.apana.org.au 22 Jul '01

22 Jul '01

Guide to Lyst Culture ********************** (written for the B7 mailing list at <http://lists.lysator.liu.se/mailman/listinfo/blakes7>) composed by Kathryn Andersen version 1.03 Considering the number of newbies who have admitted to being nearly frightened away by the manner of folks on this list, and wondering how much larger the number who *were* frightened away, I figured it was a good idea to write a Gentle Introduction which will lift confusion and humanise the apparently terrifying denizens of these electronic halls. Me saw need, me wrote. If me make mistakes, please tell, so corrections entered. This is by no means meant to replace the actual Lyst FAQ (at <http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html>) but serve as an adjunct to it. This is *not* a rule-set of customs. It is *descriptive* not proscriptive. The actuality, not the ideal. The distillation of our understanding of what the Lyst is like, so that folks don't have to read a year's worth of posts in order to get an idea of what the heck is going on here... Also, if you're new to the net, you might find the following helpful - common E-Mail abbreviations <http://www.zeusprod.com/glossary/mailterm.html> - Netiquette (net etiquette) <http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Beginner_s_Guides/Neti…> - The Google Search Engine <http://www.google.com> which I used to find the above URLs... Lyst Culture In A Bottle ************************* What's this "Lyst" business? ============================= The mailing list <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> was, so far as I know, the first Blake's 7 (electronic) mailing list to be created (and it also predates the newsgroup). Note the "lysator" in the address. Since there are other lists (most notably, the Other List (see Lyst FAQ)), presumably to save having to say "the lysator List", a shorthand for that is simply "the Lyst". Our Esteemed Listowner, Calle, is not a woman. This doesn't stop people calling him "Cally", indeed, it would be almost irresistible not to, considering the subject of this List. Nobody outside his native country can actually pronounce his name correctly, but it may help those who want to try, to keep in mind that "Calle" comes from the same root as "Carl". Not only that, it's a common short form of Carl, in the same way that Dick is for Richard. Contrary to rumour, "lysator" does not mean "liberator" in Calle's native tongue. It apparently doesn't mean anything in particular. Posting Style ============== Unlike many other lists, we don't tend to be chatty, and off-topic posts are (after a while) encouraged to go to the Spin-off list, so that we can get down to the serious business of discussing the political systems in B7 or the nature of terrorism or how teleportation works; or the lighthearted business of Avon's red leather trousers or what kind of ice cream the particular characters would prefer, or how to recast the series. (Note: I thought the instructions for subscribing to the Spin list were in the Lyst FAQ, but it seems that they aren't. So here they are: TO POST: Send an e-mail to <b7spin(a)metva.com.au> TO SUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail with a Subject line of 'subscribe' to <b7spin-request(a)metva.com.au>. TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail with a Subject line of 'unsubscribe' to <b7spin-request(a)metva.com.au>. ) It isn't a required custom on this list to introduce yourself, though a few people like to. People also don't tend to issue a formal welcome to newbies -- we just get on with the discussion and expect folks to join in (or not). Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. We're always interested in fresh ideas. If someone doesn't respond to your posting it could simply be because they agreed with it -- and didn't want to write a "me too" post. On the other hand, feel free to consider this unfriendly... but if you do, then it behooves you to go and welcome people, don't it? If the Lyst seems particularly busy and snarky, it's probably February. Odd Acronyms and Other Collections ================================== If you are confused by people referring to "the wrath of FINALACT" or suchlike, be confused no longer. As with many online fandoms, groups of like-minded fans often declare allegiance to their particular favourite characters, and form groups. Generally in order to be part of such a group... one simply declares oneself to be part of it. One doesn't have to be part of any group at all, and these groups are not meant to be taken deadly seriously either. Though some are more tongue-in-cheek than others. Often they are formed of those who consider their view to be a minority one. The Tarrant Nostra ------------------ Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who needs them? The first known reference to the Tarrant Nostra by that name is apparently in 1995, though the core group was around for longer than that. The name sprung from the mind of Brooke Barker. This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is "The Godmother" of the Tarrant Nostra; other members may not be so clearly identified. See Also <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TarrantNostra/tarrant.htm> F.I.N.A.L.A.C.T. ---------------- This stands for "Foundation Invalidating Numerous Accusations Levelled At Croucher's Travis". These are the fans who prefer Brian Croucher's Travis, aka Travis II. They have a tendency to threaten detractors with The Comfy Chair, Karaoke music and Teletubby torture. Jacqueline Thijsen is the Chief Inquisitor. Penny Dreadful is their Queen, hopeful of being elevated to godhood, so that Iain Coleman can be Pope. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=26736> G.I.T.H.O.G. ------------ This stands for "Greif Is Travis, House Of Greif". Byline -- 'In Time, We All Come to Greif'. These are the fans who prefer Stephen Grief's Travis, aka Travis I. They appear to be less active than FINALACT, probably because they don't perceive themselves to be in the minority. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=33344> A.S.K.S. -------- Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits go against the flow of Avon fans because they don't give a fig whether he looks sexy in black leather, they just identify with him. Kathryn Andersen made up this acronym, so she is presumably the founding member. Gareth's Gorillas ----------------- Fans who are into Gareth Thomas and his work, as distinct from just being interested in Blake (though they are interested in Blake too). Chief Gorilla is Judith Proctor. One may see them at cons wearing "Gareth's Gorilla" badges. The Gan Defence League ---------------------- Those who appreciate the unsung and oft under-appreciated Olag Gan. Judith Proctor goes around distributing oak leaves to those who stand up for Gan and say nice things about him. S.C.A.M. -------- Society for Crushing Animals Maligners, given a name by Una McCormack, the (almost) sole person who not only liked the episode "Animals", but strives to defend it. Dedicated to the art of Justinification (justifying Justin). Followers of the Goddess ------------------------ The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Ophelia (aka Kanna-Ophelia, aka (name suppressed on request))... not quite as gone as we thought. J.A.D.E. -------- Jarriere's Always Discriminating Enthusiasts don't actually tend to use this acronym a lot, but their influence has been far-reaching; not only did they get this minor character who only appeared in one episode (Gambit... Travis called him a powder-puff) into the top 20 of an online poll of favourite SF characters.... but they actually persuaded a fannish model-maker to include Jarriere into their line of die-cast models (after Avon, Blake, Travis and Vila). They are led by Harriet Monkhouse, who, after another Harriet joined the Lyst in 2001, decided to style herself Jarriet (or Harriere) to cut down on possibilities of mistaken identity. Avon Without Guilt ------------------ Not a terribly active group these days, but Pat Nussman founded "AWG" -- Avon Without Guilt. As in, yes, we *know* it's terribly common; we *know* that more discerning tastes move on from their first attraction to the Dark and Snarly One in favor of the more arcane delights of, oh, The Thane and Bruce; we *know* he has a less than stellar character. So what? We still love him, and we refuse to be guilty about it. It is worthwhile noting that Barbara Paul dedicated one of her novels to the Avon Without Guilt group. See <http://www.barbarapaul.com/holland.html> Sickly Equines =============== Certain topics have a habit of coming up over and over again. I'm reluctant to call them dead horses, because it can be the case that a newbie can actually offer new insight that nobody's thought of before, and pass the hand of healing over what was once assumed to be a corpse. - Hey, Maybe Avon Shot Blake's Clone! - Was Blake a Freedom Fighter Or A Terrorist? Should Blake Have Destroyed Star One? - Avon Was Mad (No He Wasn't) - Was Travis only following orders? Hot Topics ========== One topic which is pretty much guaranteed to start the fires burning no matter how nicely and calmly people may start the discussion, is slash. If you don't know what slash is, don't worry, since you probably don't want to argue about it either. An oldish summary of the pro-slash position from Susan Beth can be found at <ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/misc/slash.defense> A summary of the anti-slash position is at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/slashsum.html> Another topic which tends to set the sparks flying is Horizon, the biggest and oldest B7 fan club. Or, more specifically, its Coodinator/Treasurer/etc, Diane Gies. I'm not going to reiterate it here, that would just stir people up again. Any topic can raise the temperature if it is pursued obnoxiously enough. There has been steam coming out of ears over - whether Deliverance is Sexist - posting style - con reports - religion just to name a few. But don't let that scare you off, we're generally quite calm and rational... Signs that a thread has gone on too long at too high a temperature are - posters start repeating themselves (worst case, reposting earlier posts of their own) - postings degenerate into a "he said, she said" dissection of why what so-and-so said was insulting. INTJ? MBTI? Huh? ================== Once upon a time, someone first brought up the idea of figuring out the Myers-Briggs (personality) Type Indicator for each of the characters. It was mentioned briefly once before, but the topic truly exploded in February 1998 when Adam Fuller posted this -- <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=21161> Much discussion ensued, and many people went off to <http://www.keirsey.com> to take the personality tests there to figure out their own type. Of those who took the tests and actually reported back, the majority appeared to be either INTJ or INTP types (and, oddly enough, the consensus was that Avon was either an INTJ or an INTP). This probably explains why the posting style of the list appears so unfriendly -- half of us are closet Avons. Some people are sick of this topic. Others remain fascinated by it. Penguins? What's that got to do with B7? ========================================= The connection between penguins and B7 can only be explained by the one who discovered the sinister conspiracy in the first place. For some reason, Calle seems to think it was Una McCormack, but the rest of the world blames it on Neil Faulkner. <http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm> Except for Neil, who blames it on Alison Page. Acknowledgements ================ Thanks (in no particular order) to Penny Dreadful, Calle Dybedahl, Neil Faulkner, Una McCormack, Tavia, Mistral, Steve Rogerson, Ophelia, Andrew Williams, Sandra Kisner, M, Harriet Monkhouse, Jacqueline Thijsen, Wildean, Harriet, Carol McCoy, Susan Beth, Tiger M, Sandra Kisner, Carolyn, DDJ for additions, comments and corrections. Where To Find It ================ This FAQ-ish thing can be found on the web at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/lyst.html> and posted on the Lyst once a month. Mon Jul 23 01:06:01 EST 2001

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Saturday Telegraph
by Deborah Day 22 Jul '01

22 Jul '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- Of all the unlikely places for a mention of Blake's 7 is the political column of the Satuday Daily Telegraph, which mentioning the new Welsh Assembly building said that it resembled something out of Blake's 7 or Blue Peter (page 12). Debbie

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Gidget in Space (no discernable trace of Unified Field Theory left ...)
by Sally Manton 22 Jul '01

22 Jul '01

Dana wrote: <and maybe Avon's greatest fear is that he'll be possessed by the spirit of Gidget.> Mmmm ... maybe that's the explanation for Cally's change of personality, she was possessed by the spirit of Mrs Cunningham (Happy Days). and Joanne: <Oh no, she said the G word! Something like this did occur to me, but I think I was quietly hoping no one would bring it up.> That was very optimistic of you, dear. Actually, now I come to think of it, that could be part of my problem with Avalon - she does come over a little teenager-ish (the good 1950s kind :-)) Okay, since we're a little slow, would anyone like to play "nominate the worst possible cross-over?" (PS - Teletubbies was done on the Other List and no it was not pretty :-)) Beverley Hillbillies (Granny Clampett on the Scorpio, maybe?) Keeping Up Appearances? That Touched by an Angel show? Playschool? (Avon could supply the Teddy <g> but the mental picture of him and Servalan singing "I'm a Lethal Teapot" is rather interesting, or Vila warbling "Six Thousand Seven Hundred and Fifty Four Bottles") Absolutely *any* of Jim Carrey's comedies??? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Crossovers - worst and otherwise
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 22 Jul '01

22 Jul '01

Kathryn Andersen <kat(a)foobox.net> wrote: >On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:41:01AM +0000, Sally Manton wrote: >> >> Okay, since we're a little slow, would anyone like to play "nominate the >> worst possible cross-over?" > >Columbo >The Tomorrow People >The Visitor > Can one bring in the Clangers - what would Orac and the Iron Chicken make of each other? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: [B7L] Gidget in Space (no discernable trace of Unified Field Theory left ...)
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 22 Jul '01

22 Jul '01

Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> wrote: >Kathryn Andersen wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:41:01AM +0000, Sally Manton wrote: >> > >> > Okay, since we're a little slow, would anyone like to play "nominate the >> > worst possible cross-over?" >> >> Columbo > >Oh, dear. Wouldn't Columbo drive Avon nuts? And who would be the killer? >And would Travis be jealous of his glass eye? Can't you just see Columbo >handing Blake his Bassett hound to keep an eye on? I think this actually >has the potential for one of the funniest. Maybe you might get worst out >of Mrs. Columbo, though, with Kate Mulgrew nattering on about her >impossible husband and having to pick her daughter up from school. Then >we could have lots of scenes with said daughter pestering Servalan. > >Mistral >-- I think Columbo would 'get on with' Frost and Daziel (who goes with Pascoe) - while Avon might prefer Inspector Morse. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Star One
by Louise Rutter 21 Jul '01

21 Jul '01

Sally wrote: >Watched the end of this one again (no sacrifice and all that ...) You know, >despite the Andromedan Kitchen Front and green goo-ism, this has *got* to be >one of the best endings to any TV episode I can recall, nearly as good - in >its way - as *that* one two years later (who *doesn't* get a frisson at >Avon's 'Fire!'???) Nope, I don't care about the way the Andromedan fleet looks at all, that ending is just electric. (I note that it was 'stolen' by Next Gen for the ending of Best of Both Worlds part one - is it coincidence that this was the best Next Gen episode ever? <g>) Louise

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Re: [B7L] Gidget in Space (no discernable trace of Unified Field Theory left ...)
by Sally Manton 21 Jul '01

21 Jul '01

Ellynne wrote: <Blake's 7 Winter's Tale: <snip> Oh, wait, problem. I _like_ that idea.> And I *love* it. Who gets to "exit, pursued by a bear?" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Star One
by Sally Manton 21 Jul '01

21 Jul '01

Watched the end of this one again (no sacrifice and all that ...) You know, despite the Andromedan Kitchen Front and green goo-ism, this has *got* to be one of the best endings to any TV episode I can recall, nearly as good - in its way - as *that* one two years later (who *doesn't* get a frisson at Avon's 'Fire!'???) A couple of thoughts struck me - You can see that Vila is genuinely terrified (this is not his patent jokey, panicky dither, this is real fear) in the last couple of minutes, but can see absolutely no way out; he *can't* run away from what must appear to be certain suicide, so doesn't fight it (much :-)). It's like in a nightmare that he can't wake up from. Made me wonder how I would cope in such a situation, where death was staring me (quite literally) in the face and I had to stand stock-still and watch it head straight for me. I think MK's portrayal of very real (and totally un-standard-heroic) fear does help with the suspension of dibelief here - were none of them quaking, it would be harder to swallow that they *were* facing death. I love Jenna's line "I just hope Blake understands why we betrayed him," - the fact that she does see it as a personal betrayal but realises she has to do it anyway (not knowing that Blake's come to the same decision). The fan and scriptwriter spotlight on *Avon's* path from Cygnus Alpha to Star One has overshadowed Jenna's, methinks (even as late as Killer, she seems doubtful of Blake's action in putting up the plague warning: "There has to be a warning Jenna. There has to be." and it takes a moment before she appears to agree.) In fact, this is a really good episode for Jenna, far better IMO than The Keeper that was *meant* to be about her :-), her scenes with Vila and Orac on the Liberator show her as strong, forceful and swift to decide and act where necessary. Pity she's *still* overshadowed by My Heroes and Travis ... Also love the fact that in sending the message in Blake's name, Jenna shows such glowing confidence that his arch-enemy Servalan will unquestioningly believe the 'political criminal'; and the fact that Servalan *does*, without a second's hesitation (look, even though she does know there was a hunt going on for Star One, Servalan might have seen the message as some form of trap to pull her forces away from key areas. But no.) And - just a quibble - couldn't someone have sprung for a black singlet for Croucher? Now someone's pointed it out to me, every time he dies all I can see is his white underwear through the rips in the leather ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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