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Avon club zines
by Judith Proctor 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

The Avon club print around 20 of their own zines plus reprints of Standard by Seven and some zines by Ros Williams and Judith Seaman. These are all A5 digest zines and generally represent very good value for money as none of them are expensive. They're low on art, and not always perfect on the proof-reading, but some of them contain some excellent stories. It's been difficult to buy these in the past if you lived overseas because of the currency problem, but we're now agenting them via the Hermit web site, so you can order them by credit card. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 We already have reviews of a few of the Avon zines, but would appreciate more if anyone has time to write them. I should add that the stories have a wide range - one of my favourite Vila stories of all time is in an Avon club zine. Judith PS. These are all gen zines - no adult material of any kind. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Robert Holmes ... a few wandering musings
by Ellynne G. 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:52:43 -0000 "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Mistral wrote: > <I suppose Gambit is just having a friend.> > > Although it does have that nice little sting of Avon insisting Vila > play > Speed Chess rather than give up their winnings - [snip] Holmes may have > loved > putting them together, but wasn't ever under any illusion about what > they'd > do for each other. I'm suddenly reminded of a number of male bonding moments in films. I don't understand them and I never will, but a great many successful movies seem to rest on the idea that friendship can be based on someone almost getting you killed in a callous fashion (did anyone see "Remember the Titans"? I'm still not sure what brought the team together when I thought they were about to start stomping each other). Why am I having this mental picture of Avon and Vila going out with Thelma and Louise? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Reeve (was Robert Holmes...a few wandering musings)
by Ellynne G. 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:02:01 -0000 "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Stephen wrote: > <What was the business with Servalan coming over all moralistic > about the > fact that Reeve was a torturer, given the number of people who spent > time > reassuring her interrogators?> > > Oh but that's different, Stephen, it was in *her* personal best > interests > :-) > > She does have an oddly selective moralistic streak, does Servalan. I think Servalan sees what she does as serving a purpose. She's very self-centered, but it's like the self-centeredness of an absolute monarch. Her good is her kingdom's good (I think she may be capable of thinking the other way around, with the Federation's good coming first [there were hints of it in Star One] but I doubt she ever lets the impulse get carried away). She also sees torture for torture's sake as uncivilized and low. Torture to punish the deserving, to extract information, to set an example, that's all good. Actually, never let it be said that I've set a limit to how low that woman might sink, but she's convinced she's more civilized and just as convinced _her_ motivations make sense. Why not? Some of the worst monsters in history have been, by their own standards, very civilized and sophisticated. > And given > her reaction to Krantor's Freedom City, one wonders if [a] she knew > exactly > *who* ran Space City, [b] she - errr - 'inherited' Space City along > with the > presidency and [c] she closed it down with a high-minded sniff > about sewers Oh, no, Space City served a purpose and fed largely off of lower grade sorts she couldn't have cared less about - their degeneracy would only support Federation prejudices (this is what happens with 'freedom' sort of stuff). I think it really bothered her that 1) Freedom City had customers from her own class, and 2) It did nothing beneficial for the Federation. Then again, maybe this is where she lost a certain ex-boyfriend found dead in Sand. He must have dumped her because of a bad environment. After all, it's not like any guy could have faulted her sparkling personality, now could he? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Veron in the midfield
by Pherber＠aol.com 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

In a message dated 6/29/01 8:14:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time, hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk writes: > keep doing double takes when I open the newspapers' sports pages and > find that my football club is trying to sign Veron. I know how you feel -- the Colorado Avalanche (hockey team) have a big-money defenseman named Rob Blake... Nina

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Re: [B7L] tarrant on tv
by Mac4781＠aol.com 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Alison wrote: > Stephen Pacey is on telly right now, playing the defence forensics expert in > the Dando trial reconstruction. Sounds very posh Thanks for the info, Alison. If anyone caught it on tape and would be willing to provide me with a copy (for proper reimbursement, of course), please let me know. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Robert Holmes ... a few wandering musings
by Mac4781＠aol.com 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

A belated note of appreciation for Una's eloquent, articulate, and loving comments on "Death-Watch": > Ah, must spring to the defence of one of my favourites. The reason that I > think > it's a great ensemble piece is that it uses all the characters *in character* > to drive the plot along. Yes. <sigh> And not only does it use all the characters in character, but the character dynamics are insightful and deftly handled. While the dramatic impact of "Blake" makes it my favorite episode, DW is the better written script; it's Boucher at his best. Carol Mc

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tarrant on tv
by Alison Page 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Stephen Pacey is on telly right now, playing the defence forensics expert in the Dando trial reconstruction. Sounds very posh Alison

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Re: [B7L] Reeve (was Robert Holmes...a few wandering musings)
by Sally Manton 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Stephen wrote: <What was the business with Servalan coming over all moralistic about the fact that Reeve was a torturer, given the number of people who spent time reassuring her interrogators?> Oh but that's different, Stephen, it was in *her* personal best interests :-) She does have an oddly selective moralistic streak, does Servalan. And given her reaction to Krantor's Freedom City, one wonders if [a] she knew exactly *who* ran Space City, [b] she - errr - 'inherited' Space City along with the presidency and [c] she closed it down with a high-minded sniff about sewers ... Did her new found cover involve a CV that ran: 252-254 N.C. Head of Amnesty International 254- present Security Commissioner in charge of the Pacification Programme. Hobbies and Interests: Birdwatching, Haute Couture, Galactic Domination...oops, no sorry...Gardening. Stephen. (Careers advice available for a small fee). ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Robert Holmes ... a few wandering musings
by Sally Manton 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Mistral wrote: <I suppose Gambit is just having a friend.> Although it does have that nice little sting of Avon insisting Vila play Speed Chess rather than give up their winnings - it ain't betrayal like Orbit, but it's an interesting moment of expediency (I do think Avon truly believed that Vila was not in as much danger as all that, and that Orac was up to the challenge, but it still ain't nice). Holmes may have loved putting them together, but wasn't ever under any illusion about what they'd do for each other. <Though there's one line in Gambit that doesn't ring true - 'You dummy.' It's too flat and generic for me to take seriously> Oh but I think the tone of voice redeems it :-) Me: <(other episodes have good A-V in them - Volcano, Deliverance, City and Bounty, for starters - but aren't *built* around it).> and Mistral: <Heh. Well, would *you* say that a good A-B episode isn't important? ;-)> Hey, you're talking to someone who's built a whole argument around the two Blake references in Moloch and Rumours, which makes *them* A-B by my admittedly partisan standards ... yes, but there is A-B (Redemption, Pressure Point, Star One) and there is A-B (Duel, Deliverance, Weapon). <I think Bounty and Volcano both have significant A-V development.> Absolutely, but what I meant was it's a smaller *part* of the episode as a whole, <Without those two episodes, I'd be less inclined to interpret the relationship as mutual liking, and more as just being stuck on the same ship.> Up to Bounty, I think it was more the latter; the relationship does take a while to kick in. (BTW, Deliverance is good A-V as well IMO, Vila's gleeful teasing the whole way through is wonderful). My absolute favourite A-V *moment* is in fact in 'Blake' - that oddly gentle "you think you've found Blake" - which is IMO a single moment beautifully poised on everything that's gone before, including Orbit. But then 'Blake' does that on a range of levels ... <Shame on you, neglecting the really important one.> <grin> Can't think who you mean ... but yes, if he could survive being on Servalan's staff, he could survive a measley intergalactic war. <Well, the brown vinyl is a bit dodgy, but I love the blue leather. Oddly enough, I like it far better now I know it's blue than I did when I thought it was black. Black leather and studs is just so ... pedestrian.> The Terminal black-leather-n-studs is nice; the set Dorian buys for him is awful, but I explain it in my own mind as a sort of sartorial mixture of mourning and almost-armour, which fits his 4th series mindset. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Robert Holmes ... a few wandering musings
by Marian de Haan 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Judith wrote: >Didn't care for Reeve, but then he was meant to be a slimeball (and I always see him with mental shadings of another part played by the same actor - he was in Morgan's Boy - also playing a slimeball)< I agree Reeve was a detestable character but I consider him well written as a slimeball. I was sorry to see him being killed off so early in the episode because he had the potential for making life very difficult for Servalan. Marian

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