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Re: motivating Avon
by J MacQueen 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> >and Avon knows perfectly well that Anna won't leave a rich >husband unless he can provide her with a guaranteed life of luxury? Sounds like the not-altruistic version of the Heathcliff-Cathy-Linton triangle, doesn't it? Which triggers horrible possibilities with a Kate Bush tune <screams> And now we're here In this wi-i-ine, wi-i-ine, wi-i-ine cellar Dear me Glad you're here, though I fear You've put a spanner in the works No, it's too horrible to think about. And that's just Calle's reaction, should he be in a bad mood... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: motivating Avon
by Helen Krummenacker 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Mike said: To this matter, I would question Avon's apparent averse also. I don't believe Avon's statement that the great bank fraud was committed in the attempt to 'undermine confidence in the Federation credit system', any more than I believe it was just for the money. I believe what the script gives us is that some people in the Federation thought it was political because it could undermine the system. Not that that was actually his reason for it. Avon gives what seems to be the most probable (IMO) actual reason when he says "We would have ben so rich, no one could touch us." That rings true with his character's other behaviors; choosing safety over risk until some risk becomes the path to greater safety. In a corrupt system, wealth is the quickest route to safety. Fighting the corrupt system, winning is the only safety. Speaking of the Avon/Anna relatioship, as someone else brought up earlier-- it is likely she did pose herself to him as someone with anti-Federation political sentiments. After all, she was infiltrating his life to see if he *was* political. OTOH, she may have posed as a Crusader, someone with serious plans, or as a Waif, one whose dreams were dying and who needed a hero. Any thoughts by others on this?

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Re: [B7L] Twenty Moments, Etc.
by Sally Manton 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Marian writes: <In Space Fall, Vila introduces Avon to Blake as the number two man in all the Federated worlds when it comes to computers. To the inevitable question who the number one is, Vila jokes: "Well, the man who caught him, of course."> Which of course begs the question, how does one tell who is first, second, ninth, thirty-first etc ... it's not exactly like the Olympics, you know:-) Vila's 'number two' is just a colourful way of saying Avon is *one* of the top computer people in the Federation. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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H&H: Cally as Waif
by Sally Manton 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

MMarcobi wrote: <I suspect avon was probably far less (if at all) aware of his physical attractiveness, than he was his intelligence.> I think he *becomes* more aware of it over time. 'Tis a little hard not to when the most desirable woman in the galaxy clearly fancies you (yes, he's also very aware that a lot of his appeal is the lovely shiny interstellar hot rod he inherited from Blake, but not *all* of it :-) and perfect strangers drag you off to secluded caves and tell you how beautiful you are. But I don't think he shows much *interest* in it, except when he can use it as a weapon (Sarcophagus, Power). Unquestionably, his sense of superiority does come first and foremost from his intellect. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Take it To the Limit
by Sally Manton 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Anna wrote: <The sequence seems to be - Blake is arrested at the meeting, the descision is made to fake the crimes, the memoiries are implanted, the trial happens. The memory implantation in the children definitely seem to have happened *after* Blake was arrested:> <snip> <VARON: Look at that: outpatient admission, identity unrecorded. And there's another. And a third.> Umm ... have to admit I haven't thought this out very far - maybe they chose children who were already patients of Havant? Looked up three recent cases from his own files, that were likely to 'take' well, then worked backwards from there? Therefore, the outpatient admissions would be there for an earlier period but the children were there *then* for real treatment, and Varon's assumption that that's when they were implanted is wrong - that happened later. Somehow, I don't think so, but 'tis the best I can come up with right now ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Twenty Moments, Etc.
by Sally Manton 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Jacqui wrote: <I would add that the group we see on Star One would be the 'curent batch' - the staff would have to be replaced from time to time.> <veg> but how, if *no one knew where it was*? What they should have done, I guess, was put in robots or androids. They could have had the technology (Project Avalon, DeathWatch). We could have had a whole heap of those little robots from SLD running around. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Where is everybody?
by J MacQueen 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

>From: "Una McCormack" <una(a)qresearch.org.uk> >choosing the house because of its proximity to Hay-on-Wye You were around Hay-on-Wye? Grrr. Though I don't think a future version of that town would do much of a trade in second-hand bookscreens. Regards Joanne (jealous, what makes you think that...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Death Comes to Time
by Judith Proctor 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Visit http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/news/01060606.shtml for news on Jacqueline Pearce in Dr Who 'Death comes to Time'. Here's what the page says: Doctor Who News 10 June 2001 Doctor Who Returns to BBC Online <Sylvester, Dan and Kevin> Hes back - and hes online. The Doctor is returning to the BBC for a special one-off audio drama, Death Comes To Time, to be broadcast exclusively on the BBC Doctor Who web site on Friday July 13th 2001. The 30 minute audio play sees The Doctor enlist the help of a mysterious Time Lord to battle an alien warlord who is fighting for control of time itself. Death Comes to Time will be the BBCs very first piece of drama broadcast purely online and is the first new Doctor Who broadcast by the BBC since the TV movie in 1996. Sylvester McCoy returns as The Doctor with Sophie Aldred as Ace. They will be joined in their adventures by a host of famous and well-known names including Stephen Fry, John Sessions and Jacqueline Pearce (Servalan from Blakes 7). A trailer for the production will premiere here on Friday June 15th. Make a note in your 500 year diary. In the meantime, we will be interviewing Sylvester McCoy about his involvement in the project very shortly. Don't miss the opportunity to ask Sylvester a question. Don't forget to visit our Death Comes to Time feature too. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: Twenty moments...
by Betty Ragan 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Having more-or-less left the Lyst a few weeks ago because I was too stressed out to deal with some of the stuff that was going on, may I say how utterly, utterly wonderful it is to come back and see all these great posts reminding me of just why it is I love this show so very much? I'm not going to do my own top-twenty list, because it would just duplicate stuff other people have already included on theirs, but I just thought I'd mention two more great moments that I don't think I've seen anybody else bring up yet: * When Blake refuses to kill Travis in "Duel," and Avon shakes his head with that indulgent, amused, "I *knew* it!" expression on his face. * When Anna's men come for Servalan, and she shakes their hands off her. I love the sense of dignity she exudes there, and the feeling that, even in these circumstances, she is still in control of herself and the situation. One of the all-time best Servalan moments. -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: Travis as Rochester? and other literary recasts
by Helen Krummenacker 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

> The Guide says that Muller's first name was Elton > (Seems to me your head was like a candle in the wind) > and the Duel mutoid's name is spelled Kie-Eyre and > not Kiera. Does that make Travis Mr. Rochester, > who also lost a hand and was blind for a while? Or > that Travis has a mad wife in the attic who got Kie- > Eyre modified > No, the Mad Wife is Supreme Commander these days. Servalan on the flight deck of the rotting Liberator clearly echoes the Mad Wife standing on the roof of the burning manor as everything falls apart. Is Avon Mr. Darcy with computer skills? Proud, arrogant and disagreeable, but a man of his word. Cally to be Eliza Bennett, who he struggles not to lose his heart to? She does have fine eyes. :)

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