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re: 20 moments that make us cringe
by Betty Ragan 14 Jun '01

14 Jun '01

Helen wrote: > 19. The self-important aliens in Duel Surely I can't be the only one who *likes* the aliens in "Duel"? Or even just "Duel" in general? The episode always strikes me as a nifty, subversive take-off on _Star Trek_ (whether entirely deliberate or otherwise), and the aliens are part and parcel of that. If you watch TOS' s "Arena," the alien in it is downright sickening (and I say this as one who *does* actually consider herself a TOS fan). It's this shiningly beautiful young man in a toga giving Kirk a metaphorical pat on the head and saying "Ah, give you a few million more years and you may be as shiny and advanced and perfect as we are!" Whereas the B7 aliens *aren't* more "advanced," morally, than humans -- heck, they destroyed themselves in a horrible war! And the individul specimens we see are as cynical and prone to squabbling between themselves as anybody else in the B7 universe. Giroc, in particular, is a nasty piece of work, and ugly, to boot. Even the "super-advanced aliens" in B7 are corrupt and petty! How can you not love that? :) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: [B7L] piece of pure silliness
by J MacQueen 14 Jun '01

14 Jun '01

>From: Kathryn Andersen <kat(a)foobox.net> >"Kathryn Andersen" becomes "Esmerelda Knotwise of Michel Delving" >I am secretly related to Kerr Avon. Well, what's new? (-8 Glad to see you here again, ill or not. Or Knot. Um. I suspect something in my brain is still puzzling over how Sally and I get to be the same hobbit... Regards Joanne (as long as it's not a bad one, right, Sally?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: 20 moments that make us cringe
by Sally Manton 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Helen suggested: <20. Blake and Avon laughing about the intelligent flea (with snide glances referring over to Vila). It was forced, unfunny, and out of place.> *All* the would-be chummy lets-share-a-laugh scenes are dire: this one, Breakdown, and Children of Auron (the worst IMO). OTOH, somehow it fits that our ironic doom-n-gloom saga can't do sitcom moments :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Where is everybody?
by Natasa Tucev 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Trying to catch up... Kat wrote: >Leonora suffered from having been part of a DPR publicity >drive to get more people tested for paranormal abilities. >Everywhere she goes, she generates enormous quantities >of rubbish. >It's discovered during the course of the story that the rubbish >she generates tends to be, well, not valuable, but not just household >rubbish. A half-brick turns out to be rose marble, an old >glove is 17th century Venetian kid leather, and mammoth eyelashes >in dust bunnies. Both Una's anegdote and this comment have reminded me of a story I read by Borges, called "Urbis Tertius" or something like this. Imagine you lose a pencil. You tell someone about it. Both of you start looking, you find the lost pencil, but you don't tell the other person. So he/she keeps looking and finds another pencil. Such an object, IIRC, is called a 'hren', and is usually longer and thinner than the original one. Next, Borges tells how a group of convicts were ordered to excavate on a place which wasn't really an archaeological site, and they came up with extraordinary finds. This is all going on in some imaginary land, where people use ajdectives and verbs instead of nouns, etc., etc., I don't recall all the weird details. Anyway, to draw an analogy, all you have to do is lose a B7 video, and ask someone to help you find it... N.

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Re: Duel
by Helen Krummenacker 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

> I like the idea of Sinofer and Giroc being eternally cursed to suffer one > another's company. They're so totally different. I have a feeling that they > will be released when they have both learned what they need to learn. > Well, change the names and you have a lovely premise for a PGP.

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Re: [B7L] piece of pure silliness
by Sally Manton 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Minnie wrote: <Thats because you put it under female <G>> <bashful look> that would be because I didn't even see the male/female divider, whatever ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Hobbit Names
by Helen Krummenacker 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

> Kathryn Andersen" becomes "Esmerelda Knotwise of Michel Delving" > > I am secretly related to Kerr Avon. > > Well, what's new? (-8 > > Kathryn Andersen > Maiden name for me: Poppy Chubb of Deephollow... married into the Bree Gamwich family. I don't mind Poppy-- it is the California state flower and has featured in several of my paintings, but *Chubb*? I suppose if I ate like a hobbit, I would be. Hmmm... Knotwise= Not Wise? "Of all the things I was, I never recognized the fool." Take care of yourself, Kathryn. Sorry to hear about your flu. Helen

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Re: [B7L] re: 20 moments that make us cringe
by Sally Manton 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Betty wrote: <Surely I can't be the only one who *likes* the aliens in "Duel"?> Well, me for another. Sinofar is a bit pompous (especially when reading the script :-) but I like the actress too much to care (and it's wonderful how much difference a beautiful voice makes). Giroc is great fun, and wonderfully inadequate for super-alienness. And I like the way they're so intent on teaching their oddly pointless little lesson to two men, one who doesn't need to learn it ("I've seen friends die") and the other who is incapable of learning it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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You always hurt the ones you love
by Mistral 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Just ran across an interesting misspelling on the net: sado-machinism. Now I find myself wondering if this is an accurate description of Vila's relationship with Orac. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.

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Dorset group
by Judith Proctor 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

The next meeting of the Dorset group is this Saturday at my place. Anyone living in easy reach of Poole/Wimborne is welcome. Arrive around 12 if you want to watch a video and around 2pm if you want to skip the video. Bring nibbles for communal consumption. e-mail me for directions if needed. The address is 28 Diprose Rd, Corfe Mullen. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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