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Re: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Ellynne G. 07 Jun '01

07 Jun '01

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:57:39 +-100 Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter(a)btinternet.com> writes: > That's exactly how B7 would be in the DS universe :-) I have never, NEVER had the urge to write DS fanfic and now . . . . I'm imagining Fraser measuring Travis II's nose and compiling other evidence to convince all the other characters (who seem oblivious) that this _can't_ be the same as Travis I. I'm imagining what Blake would have been like if Fraser had been there. Forget that, what would _S4_ have been like with him? Fraser: As I'm sure you've noticed, Avon, the tracks clearly indicate Blake's base is already surrounded by approximately 1,000 Federation troopers. However, what you may not have seen is that, judging by the inset of the heel, these are the elite troops who are actually taught to aim. Also, they seem to be led by a commanding officer in stilletto heels. While I have no idea who this might be, the track's are in Servalan's shoe size. I know your first impulse is probably to charge in and rescue Blake; and, with the not so small army Tarrant's father-in-law, Zukan, so kindly agreed to loan us after we showed good faith by agreeing not to discuss the little accident that almost happened with the virus bomb, you shouldn't have any trouble. But I don't think that would be the best choice. This is a bounty hunter administration base and it should have screens placed that regularly show the Federation's Most Wanted. Don't you think it would be better to have Orac use them to show the Troopers Servalan's picture along with a posting of the reward on her, dead or alive? Even with minimal math skills, I'm sure any Federation Trooper would be impressed with how much larger that sum is than the total he or she is likely to earn over an entire career, even if they include pension benefits and medical. The problem might then resolve itself without any further effort on our part. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: great moment-- & dud eps.
by Helen Krummenacker 07 Jun '01

07 Jun '01

> Dud? No, I'm convinced I saw a different DotG than the rest of you, > so it can't be a dud, can it? > > Ellynne > I'm convinced it has too many good points to be a dud. True, the Tharn himself and his set-up was a dud, a bit Alice-in-Wonderland-y. But... good beginning. Orac takes it into his head to go exploring and leads them into danger. For the world's most brilliant computer, it needs a few more self-preservation circuits. Avon trying to get into a pressure suit, and Tarrant trying to stop him. Vila getting set up to explore. Vila finding out he's not going to die. Our Heroes having costumes that didn't make any of them look ridiculous. Tarrant describing ORAC without telling a single lie and without being at all helpful. The incredulity with which they face the prospect of using pencils to do sums. A sense that they should let the families of the people they met know what happened to them. For that matter, I thought Ultraworld was okay. Helen > >

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Re: [B7L] Twenty Moments, Etc.
by Sally Manton 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

Dana wrote: <9. Orac: BLAKE: I'm fed up wi' takin' orders [after he's taken about 1.25 for the whole series)> I love this too. Also "Maybe Avon would like it for a pet." That would have been rather interesting ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Twenty Moments, Etc.
by Marian de Haan 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

Dana wrote: >4. Not sure which episode: Does it support intelligent life? Does the Liberator?< Project Avalon. Bit of an own goal, though :-) Marian

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Re: Twenty moments (in no particular order)
by Helen Krummenacker 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

1. Dawn of the Gods "Did you use your delicate, skillful touch?" "I used my delicate skillful boot." How many SF shows would set up the fellow who was clever with locks to kick open a jammed door? 2. Horizon The gradual loss of crew from the ship, each person remaining having more reason to believe Avon's warnings about the danger, but going down anyway. Avon's reluctance to go to the planet vs. his knowlege that even he needs some company. 3. Gambit In this perposterous-wardrobe episode, the Supreme Commander of perposterous wardrobe wears (red, finally!) a gown she can barely move in. Somehow, it's glamourous and pathertic at the same time. 4. Finding the Lyst You didn't say they had to be moments IN the show. Finding a forum for intelligent discussion has made me think of aspects of the show I'd never given thought to. It has to be a great show to have fans of this caliber, right? 5. Cally kicking Blake's butt when they first meet. So what if she wimped out later; it's still one of the best introductions a regular female character could get. 6. Rumours of Death A little POV from Ensign Expendible, as it were. For an epsiode, the faceless, nameless guards aren't faceless and nameless. They have a sense of humour, a hometown, and, as far as we know, have never killed anyone. 7. Redemption I may be the only one who thinks this, but I feel we see the supreme moment of selfishness from Blake, here. In another show, the hero would have dealt with the electric cable himself. Instead, Blake orders Avon away from a task considered vital to *everyone's* safety to come get him out of a jam. 8. The Way Back The defense attorney starts putting things together, but is still to naive to think of his own danger. 9. Star One The whole episode. Yes, even the Andromedans. 10. Weapon Carnell batting his eyelashes at Servalan in his farewell message. 11. Assassin *I* liked Avon's "falling into the hands of the slavers" routine. And I definitely liked the fact that one elderly man was smart enough to get involved in order to get out. 12. Gambit again I won't pretend I think Avon did a good job of lying in this. In fact, it is the sheer obviousness of Avon and Vila's attempt to cover up their jaunt to the planet that makes the end so funny. Somehow, in spite of the fact that they are all free men and had worked out a plan that wouldn't endanger the others, etc, they still come across as teenagers caught out by dad, which says a lot about the subconcious emotional dynamics. 13. Cygnus Alpha In spite of Vila's huge screw up in Space Fall, Gan still seems to be willing to be friend and protector. 14. Aftermath The whole thiing. Really. 15. Terminal Avon's non-sleep marathon on the flight deck and what it does to his judgement abilities. 16. Volcano Vila and Avon's tremendous optimism:"A mess." 17. Orbit The dilemna 18. Headhunter Soolin gets an interesting part, Avon refuses to leave Vila and Tarrant to die on Orac's say-so, and everyone else goes against Avon in the end to blow up the bad 'bot. 19. City At the Edge of the World Vila gets to be the star of an episode. Yay! 20. Every time the theme music is played

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Jump the shark
by Carolyn772＠aol.com 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

>>"A defining moment when you know that your favorite television program has reached its peak. That instant that you know from now on...it's all downhill. Some call it the climax. We call it jumping the shark. ... The aforementioned expression refers to the telltale sign of the demise of Happy Days, our favorite example, when Fonzie actually "jumped the shark." The rest is history." http://www.jumptheshark.com Now, personally, I don't think B7 EVER "jumped the shark." Any dissenters? As to the other fandoms, well.... I was sorting through old tapes, to decide which ones could be re-used, and ended up putting on the "maybe later" pile, episodes of Time Trax, Mann and Machine, the Visitor, Space Rangers, Seven Days, G vs E and on and on. There's usually only one episode, tucked in between other stuff I wouldn't mind erasing, so I end up keeping the tape till "maybe later." (I've also got a practically complete run of "Doctor, Doctor," a half-hour comedy series starring Matt Frewer.) I GOTTA get rid of some of this stuff. Later. Maybe.

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Re: Subject: Re: [B7L] Twenty moments when you know you're watching the best TV show
by Ellynne G. 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:50:42 -0000 "Sally Manton" > <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > <You can fill the days incredibly easily when you adopt a hopeless > > > cause.> > > > > Well, Voice from the Past is *my* Animals ... anyone else got a > > widely-proclaimed dud that they love? > Dud? No, I'm convinced I saw a different DotG than the rest of you, so it can't be a dud, can it? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Subject: Re: [B7L] Twenty moments when you know you're watching the best TV show
by Sally Manton 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

Una wrote: <"For what it's worth, I have always trusted you from the very beginning". I don't believe Blake for a moment, but I don't doubt that Blake believes it.> I do believe it (surprise, surprise!!) at least from Time Squad onwards. Not trust in the slushy, hearts-and-flowers 'I know you've always been there with me all the way' sense (and not without some near-moments of wavering) but in the sense that Blake knew that Avon was rather less than wholehearted in his support for the Cause, expected and allowed for Avon's honest temptation to throw the whole lot in at any time, but honestly believed that - *when* push came to shove - Avon would find himself Doing The Right Thing (yes, even in Horizon. He knew Avon would be tempted - and moved to remove temptation - but his later offer to Ro indicates that he expected the Liberator to stay where it was, even as we watched Avon try to talk himself into going :-)) Avon does not make it easy to trust him, of course. Quite deliberately. <TRAVIS: It was Maryatt. <snip> I have to have a Greify moment too. This is my favourite - the feeble death throes of Travis's conscience. It's a great exchange, speaks volumes about both Servalan and Travis, their relationship, and what really matters to them. Servie is avaricious and aggressive, Travis is weary and can no longer care enough to make a stand.> Oh yes - and perfectly underplayed. And also the fact that Servalan *honestly* can't see why another human being might matter. <15. Darrow trips in 'Animals'. And thus was born a new obsession and a reason to get up in the mornings.> <grin> I do love it, and Docholli's coat, and Blake knocking something off the set in one scene in Destiny (you can hear it skitter across the floor). <You can fill the days incredibly easily when you adopt a hopeless cause.> Well, Voice from the Past is *my* Animals ... anyone else got a widely-proclaimed dud that they love? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Twenty moments &c
by Tavia 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

This is a fun game, Una... The Way Back: 'Outside?' ... 'You realize going outside is a Category Four crime?' Spacefall: Blake: 'No! Not until free men can think and speak. Not until power is back with the honest man.' Avon: 'Have you ever met an honest man?' Jenna: 'Perhaps.' Avon: 'Listen to me. Wealth is the only reality. And the only way to obtain wealth is to take it away from somebody else. Wake up, Blake! You may not be tranquilized any longer, but you're still dreaming.' Jenna: 'Maybe some dreams are worth having.' Avon: 'You don't really believe that.' Jenna: 'No, but I'd like to.' Deliverance: The last lingering bit of Travis' conscience extinguished by his obsession. Shadow: Cally's exchange with the Space City central control. Shadow: Gan: 'I thought maybe we'd chosen the wrong people to get involved with.' Shadow: Vila: 'Where are all the good guys?' Blake: 'You could be looking at them.' Avon: 'What a very depressing thought.' Pressure Point: The B&A scene on the sofa. Trial: All the Travis scenes, but especially: 'Some of us weren't hypocrites, were we, Par?' Gambit: Avon, Vila and Orac get to have some irrelevant fun. And their actions *don't* turn out to compromise the 'mission'. Star One: Jenna contacting Servalan, and Servalan's response. Star One: Avon casually finishing off Travis. Star One: The scene at the very end. Aftermath: That kiss, and 'I'd be dead in a week.' RoD: Grenlee and Forres. Sarcophagus: The soppy scene at the beginning, precisely 'cos it's so restrained, yet feels so substantial. Moloch: The scenes between Vila and Servalan. Deathwatch: Deeta's death scene. Traitor: Hunda, for being boring. Blake: Blake finding Tarrant in the wreck of Scorpio. Blake: The end. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Review of The Way Forward: Crusades of Blake
by Tavia 06 Jun '01

06 Jun '01

Sondra wrote: >P.S. Re your comment about the difficulty of portraying >a revolutionary realistically: Don't be so sure that none of us >brought such a real-world background to the zine :-) Oooh. Intriguing. Do tell. Tavia

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