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Re: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Marian de Haan 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Sally wrote: >Ummm ... that makes me a B7-only fan; though I was a faithful view of Dr Who Nos 2 to 5, viewing was as far as I got.< I only saw Nos 3-4, which not surprisingly makes them my favourite Doctors. Actually, I'm not much of a SF fan, apart from B7 Dr Who is the only SF TVshow I really like. And it is its undifinable "Britishness" that appeals to me, rather than the setting in the future. Likewise I love B7 because of the magnificent character interaction and not because of its SF setting. For me those characters would have been equally interesting if they had been set in the past or present. >I loved Cadfael.< Me too - still do :-) >I bought all the books.< Same here. I love them for their good plots and sound historical descriptions. >I bought the books before I saw the TV shows, but I loved the TV show more.< Initially I thought that Derek Jacobi was rather miscast as a Welshman. Once I got used to him I began to appreciate those episodes that follow the books. Alas there are two where the screenplay writer got too free a rein, resulting in abominable plots and a travesty of Medieval life. >(Of course, 'tis rather hard to imagine a Blake/Cadfael cross,< O dear, I'm working on one :-) >though Certain Crewmembers would look nice in tights).< Absolutely! :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] Re: sadness
by J MacQueen 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

If Calle's busy, fair enough. <smile> We can't have him being distracted for a moment and allowing the computers to have a go at him, a la the Liberator during Redemption, can we? Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: a word of warning
by JEB31538＠cs.com 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Annie Wortham wrote: > Over the last few weeks, I have suddenly begun receiving massive amounts of > pornographic emails, not just on my main account, but on every single > account where I have website space. These accounts are never used for email > and I have NEVER, in years on the internet, received spam at any of those > addresses. I also have received a pornographic message in my guest book at > my main website for the first time ever. > > Yesterday, while attempting to find the source of this Internet Vandalism, I > discovered a newsgroup post that called for an "attack" on my website. > > Please read the entire newsgroup thread at: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=fa268efd0c2bc972, > 8& > seekm=9d4emm%249k1%241%40slb7.atl.mindspring.net#p > > If you will click on the website link of the person posting the disturbing > messages, > I think many of you will be saddened and surprised to find a rather prolific > member of this Lyst as the perpetrator. I don't know what to make of this > behavior. I'm still coming to terms with it. Until it happened, I wouldn't > have expected a fan to do this to another fan. > Julia Jones wrote: > This format will make it easier to use: <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=fa268efd0c2b c972,8&seekm=9d4emm%249k1%241%40slb7.atl.mindspring.net#p> I used Julia Jone's url. When you use it, be careful to delete the space that the computer puts in at the line break. I personally have no use for this Lysator person ever since she attacked me last year for telling people to buy ZENITH and support B7 fandom. She and some others (and I have no use for them either) accused me of using a guilt trip on people. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just decided then and there that Lysator really wasn't a list I was very interested in. And that was also reinforced recently when another bunch of posters made such unkind remarks to various people that people started unsubbing. I still miss Penny Dreadful who is a delightful talented fan whose feelings were very hurt. I only stay on the list to pick up the rare GT news bits, the general B7 news, and to read occasional posts by people who are friends or posters who normally say something of value or interest to me. I regularly delete 50-80% of Lysator without reading it. Sometimes I delete entire digests. I think recently I didn't read one digest for something like three weeks straight. I could tell another argument was brewing when somedays I had to delete four-five digests unread. There are many people on Lysator who in my opinion should simply be ignored. The inane arguments which last for weeks could not exist if the people on the list who have some common sense, brains, and courtesy would just ignore the posters who seem to thrive on conflict and whose seeming only purpose is to stir up trouble. And some of the posters are frankly so unbelievably rude and mean I frankly wish Calle would unsub them after they have made two or three rude or vicious remarks to other list members. That is one of things I really despise about this list--that such rude behaviour is tolerated. I think what is happening to Annie is totally uncalled for. It's one thing to be having an argument with a person on the list---it's quite uncalled for to carry that argument onto another list. And electronic vandalism of any sort should never be tolerated. You have my sympathy and support, Annie. I would hope that most of the Lysator is disguested by the attack and also by the people doing it and also the people who seem to support it or encourage it. And personally I find some of the current posters to be totally creepy. I do not understand why Lysator attracks some of the mean people it does. As a teacher in public school for 16 years, I am very aware of how one bad student can ruin a classroom of 30 students, most of whom are very nice. It is so sad to think that about five to perhaps ten people over the course of the last year have made Lysator a very unpleasant list to be on at times. Thank goodness, there is Freedom City. And if worse comes to worse on Lysator, I am just going to have to hope that the GT and B7 news I want to get also gets posted there because, at least, on that list these deliberate rude and personal attacks by some posters on other posters would not be tolerated. Anyway, Annie, keep your chin up. And thank you, also, for making us aware of what is happening. Joyce

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Cross-fandom
by Dana Shilling 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Obviously, lots of people on the Lyst like Harry Potter, and from past messages it's clear that B7 and Buffy fandom overlap to a significant extent. I know that our Una is an ornament to DS9 fanfic, but I haven't seen many Lyst references to the other ST shows. There must also be various Whovians (someone I was trying to turn into a New Soul watched Space Fall for about ten minutes and said "It's like Dr. Who--only better!"). What other cross-fandoms exist, and are we looking for the same thing in our other fandoms as in B7, or for something different or even an antidote (e.g., optimism)? -(Y)

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Re: [B7L] Heroes
by Sally Manton 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Jacqui asked: <What would the characters' fictional heroes be?> Now why do I think Vila's might be Just William? Turning the question slightly to the subject of preferred reading, can't help thinking that Avon would love Ambrose Bierce's work (yes, the Devil's Dictionary <g> but also the grim little Civil War Stories.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Sally Manton 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Penny wrote: <What do you consider qualifies one to be a member of a show's "fandom"? Watching it faithfully? Participating in online discussion about it? Writing fanfic, buying action figures, erecting shrines, making sacrifices?> Ummm ... that makes me a B7-only fan; though I was a faithful view of Dr Who Nos 2 to 5, viewing was as far as I got. I loved Cadfael. I bought all the books. I bought the books before I saw the TV shows, but I loved the TV show more. Does that count? (Of course, 'tis rather hard to imagine a Blake/Cadfael cross, though Certain Crewmembers would look nice in tights). Though I suppose the part of me that is forever 11 years old, and went rather overboard on the Asterix gimmicks in France :-) counts too. I even bought the film, though it's in French and I don't understand a word. Don't care, it's still hysterical - Gerard Depardieu makes Gunn-Sar look subtle. (But I didn't have room for the fluffy toy wild boar, mutter grumble. I wonder what a fluffy toy Og or Brian the Spider would be like?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by J MacQueen 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

>From: Kanna Ophelia <rosemaybud(a)one.net.au> >too many teen girls who think Draco's thinly-metaphorical racism is sooooo >kewl and >*SEXY*!!!! <sparkly eyes> At this point, I can only say I'm glad I've got two Mint Slices and a can of Coke in front of me (afternoon tea - yum, but not healthy at all). I rather think I need them to cope with this... Regards Joanne (finding the idea of Draco Malfoy being regarded as cool and sexy for any reason somewhat bizarre. Better not mention a certain snarly Potions Master, though, had I?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Cross-fandom
by Kanna Ophelia 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

<returning after a rl-driven break, and carefully deleting everything Eudora has marked with multiple chillies> Depends what you mean by fandom... While I love Harry Potter, for example, I wouldn't call myself a member of the fandom. I belong to hpfemmeslash becuase a friend owns the list, and I may one day get around to writing the Hermione/Fleur story I promised her, but the fandom doesn't appeal to me - too many teen girls who think Draco's thinly-metaphorical racism is sooooo kewl and *SEXY*!!!! <sparkly eyes> The only difference being whether they think his true love is Harry, Hermione or Mary Sue... I tend to stay well away. :) And there's plenty of things I adore but kinda never got involved with on a fan level... Terry Pratchett, for one. :) Or Bad Girls. So, working from actual involvement, fic writing, web site owning and so on... My major fandom for a while was DS9. I think the smiliarities with B7 are reasonably clear, although I have to admit a Cardassian fetish contributed... Of course, DS9 is overall more optimistic and more expensive, but it still has the same... feel... in a way. But currently, I am passionately involved in Pokemon fandom. Team Rocket, not twerp fandom - yes, divisions are policed. <giggle> And while on the surface it couldn't be more different, I think it *is* a similar thing in some ways. Jesse and James are tacky over-the-top dressers, they graviate between desperate plans and half-hearted "Let's dig a hole and see if Pikachu falls in it," token efforts, they sometimes have little victories but overall, if they won, the show would be over... Maybe I just like stylish losers. And, of course, both shows have strong female characters and a fabulous sense of camp. And have cheap special effects/animation. Also, I could compare Vila to James, Soolin to Jesse and Orac to Meowth, thus taking care of three of my favourite characters... Of course, I also love Pokemon for the cute monsters. Harvest of Kairos, anyone? XXX Kanna-Ophelia Femmeslash: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/femmeslash The Pokeslash Playground: www.tvheaven.pokemon.com Diversion Tactics: www.geocities.com/diversiontactics --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. http://mailman.one.net.au

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Zines for Sale
by Val Westall 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Val Westall Hi everyone, Chris (Blenkarn) is not at present on the lists and has asked me to tell you that she has a number of Blakes 7 zines for sale (very reasonable prices, that include second class postage within the UK). Both gen and slash. Anyone interested please drop a line to Chris at:- chris.blenkarn(a)ntlworld.com and she will send you a complete list of the zines. Chris is donating some of the proceeds of the sales of the zines to Amensty International. Thank you. Cheers, Val

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FW: Re: [B7L] Re: Zine lists coming up
by Tavia 03 Jun '01

03 Jun '01

This didn't seem to go through, so apologies if you get it several times..... Dana wrote re my Case of the Disappearing Fanzine: >Yeah, but that's printzines (not to mention variables in type size and >page count)--even if you just count stories that don't appear anywhere >else, the Hermit Library and Liberated are very large "zines." My guess is that the reduction represents both an increase in Web publishing and a decrease in fannish interest in B7. I don't know if anyone has any figures on the publication or sales of printzines in other fandoms, or for that matter other quantifiable measures of fan interest, such as sales of videos, attendance at cons, viewing figures for the satellite/cable repeats? Although the Hermit library, Liberated and other sites are all great, a high proportion of the stories archived have been previously published in printzines, especially the longer stories. Tavia

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