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ORAC
by Helen Krummenacker 20 May '01

20 May '01

> > >If Orac had been given the choice in the so-named episode would it have > > >preferred to go with Servalan or with Blake? Orac shows enough > > >understanding (as distinct from awareness) to make a reasoned choice. > POV Avon, Orac is "just a machine"--in other words, doesn't even qualify for > his slimline view of human rights--but shouldn't have Blake been worried > about the freedom of the honest AI to think and speak? > Does Avon's view on this change as time goes by? He does tend to talk to the machine as time goes on. It helps him put his thoughts in order, but is he also seeing the machine as a companion?

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Re: Orbit
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Claudia said: "We had the usual debate about whether Avon would really have done it, whether he meant it, and then an interesting "what if Blake had been on the shuttle" (in place of either Vila or Avon) conversation." I think Blake would have been self sacrificing and jumped. I can't see Blake forcing, or trying to force, either Vila or Avon off, though I doubt he would have managed it with Avon. Re what I said earlier about Vila's professional attack on Arlen in Blake, if he had those skills, why didn't he go for Avon, or was he too gutted at the betrayal? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Eclectic
by Carolan 20 May '01

20 May '01

Steve Rogerson said: "So, who else is going to Eclectic next weekend in Leicester? Guests include Gareth T and Jacqueline P." I am, and Judith P of course. It has a varied guestlist (B7 & UFO actors, fantasy writer etc), panels and discussion sessions (filking with Judith too). Looks like a fun weekend. Anne (a sheep, not a wolf....according to Chinese calendar) . . . Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Freedom City (was Re: When "Animals" camouflage)
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 20 May '01

20 May '01

I had been trying to stay out of this, but I feel the need to make some corrections concerning the Freedom City list and its policies. In a message dated 05/19/2001 6:52:08 AM Central Daylight Time, jennycat55(a)hotmail.com writes: > They say many a truth is said in jest. It's a strange thing ambition, it can > lead you into many places. You rule the roost at Freedom City, but you're > not happy with just that. If anyone could be said to rule the roost at Freedom City, it's me, the listowner. I'm definitely not Leah, and somehow I doubt that she would want to be me. And believe it or not, I don't have the kind of absolute, totalitarian control that you seem to think I do. (If I did, I'd get people to write more Tarrant stories and more Travis stories. ;-) > So you come here to Lysator. Everyone on Freedom > City is by definition a slasher, This is incorrect. We are a slash-friendly list, but not exclusive. Not everyone on FC is a slash fan, or even into erotica. Many list members just like the relaxed atmosphere there, and my only stipulation is that they be tolerant of their fellow list members who do like slash and het erotica and that they follow the rules. Freedom City is open to anyone who is over 18 and legally an adult in the area where they live, and is willing to abide by its rules, two of which include the prohibition of flaming and trolling. > but on this lyst there are people who are > not. It's those people that are > my concern, the ones you are after. It's petty, it's small minded, but I > suppose it's power of some kind. And that's what you crave, don't you Leah? It's my understanding that the great majority of the people on this list are adults, able to think for themselves and make their own decisions. There may be some minors here, but I don't think even they would be here if they didn't have at least a certain amount of intelligence and maturity. From where I stand, it looks like what you are trying to do is make other people's decisions for them. Please stop making unwarranted personal attacks on other people. Thank you, Tiger M, Freedom City listowner

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Re: Orac
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Jacqui said: "Surely afterwards Vila would have gone for Orac - for causing the problem" Vila would probably have taken great pleasure in tormenting Orac. We saw how he behaved when he was teaching him the riddles. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Orbit
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Mistral said in response to me suggesting Vila could have pulled a similar move on Avon in the shuttle as he did on Arlen at Gauda Prime: "he was relying on trickery with Arlen. Avon would never have fallen for something like that under those particular circumstances." Not necessarily. Avon wouldn't have been expecting it from Vila, so Vila would have the element of surprise. Though I still like Anna's suggestion that Vila learnt that trick from Dayna after Orbit so he could defend himself against Avon. Alison said: "Michael Keating said Vila was crying because he was trying to get his act together to put *himself* out the airlock." That doens't work for me. Vila looked scared, not like someone bracing himself. Claudia said: "I don't think Vila would sacrifice himself for Avon, but I think (and this came up during our post-episode discussion) that he *would* sacrifice himself for Blake. Blake would be willing to sacrifice himself for Vila, and Vila would return the favor, in my opinion. But he wouldn't for Avon, because Avon wouldn't for him." I can imagine this working. Blake, I think, would be the self sacrificing type and if he did so, I can see Vila turning the tables and saying that Blake was more important and should be the survivor. Whether Blake would let him is another question; we saw how badly Gan's death affected him so I don't think he would let Vila die if he could stop it. He would rather die than let Vila die. I think you're spot on about Avon. Alison said: "After all that is exactly what he did in 'Blake' - sacrifice himself in a very untypical brave act. I think he was able to do it, because he thought he really had no escape, so he had nothing left to lose (I'm talking about in 'Blake')." This works too, I believe. If Vila realised that the game was up, then he has nothing to lose, which is why he went for Arlen. A more typical Vila move would be to put his hands up and surrender - the guy was a survivor after all. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Curiouser and curiouser
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Brought back the U Harriet said: "I never thought I'd actually *be* in a scenario where the villain tore off his or her moustache and cried "Now, before I torture you to death with my excruciating machine, let me explain the details of my fiendish plan!"" Tis a bit like playing the When I'm an Evil Overload game. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Gambit frame captures
by Tavia 20 May '01

20 May '01

Harriet wrote: >I even downloaded a few other ones - the picture >of Avon spitting ice cream is particularly good. My all-time favourite costumes for Travis, Cally and especially Jenna. And neat to dress the women in black and white (echoes of the chess game?). At least that way one can tell them apart.... Thanks, Lisa. All those dimly lit outside shots must have been a pain. Tavia

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Re: Re [B7L] Curioser and curioser...
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

Slasher Harriet Monkhouse wrote Curioser and curioser... > >Why isn't there a U in this... Because it is a reference to Alice In Wonderland. The reason the word is spelt incorrectly is because Lewis Carroll made it up. > >I'm awfully sorry, but I nearly fell off my seat laughing at one of > >today's digests. I alway try to entertain. > >I'm really, really sorry for all the people who got hurt by this > >trollery, There speaks a true slasher. > > but I never thought I'd actually *be* in a scenario where the > >villain tore off his or her moustache Oooh, loft ladder. > > and cried "Now, before I torture > >you to death with my excruciating machine, That comes later :-) let me explain the details of > >my fiendish plan!" LOL. Wrong. > >Sadly, it was so fiendish that, sharing my beloved Jarriere's dim wits, You said it. > >I still can't see how it could possibly have achieved its purported aim. That's quite evident. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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New frame captures
by Lisa Williams 19 May '01

19 May '01

I've just uploaded the B7 frame captures which will be available for the next five weeks. The episodes on display now are "Gambit" and "Gold". The set of 196 images from "Gambit" is new to the library. The B7 frame capture library can be found at: http://framecaplib.com/b7lib.html . I remain firm in regarding "Gambit" as among the least interesting episodes of the first two seasons, but admit that it does have a fair amount of visual variety, which is good for frame capture purposes. After watching it through, I think much of my indifference to this one stems from the fact that we actually see very little of the Liberator crew. Lots of screen time for Krantor & Toise, Docholli, Chenie, Travis, Servalan, and even Jarriere, but not much of Blake & Co. There are about five minutes of relevant plot and a lot of filler (including scenes of Servalan heroically attempting to explain said plot to Jarriere, with a notable lack of success.) So, this set of captures is a bit thin on good shots of the crew, but there are a few of them here and there. Avon is wearing the horrid Shapeless Silver Thing, but I can't help that. And there are plenty of pics of the assorted supporting cast -- including Jarriere, which should make Certain People happy. (No, he *doesn't* get his own index. You go look for them; so there.) We don't see the flight deck at all in this one -- is that unique among the Liberator episodes? - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lisa(a)eroicafans.org or lcw(a)dallas.net Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/

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