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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Pherber(a)aol.com wrote: >How depressing. It's malicious, puerile, unprincipled cretins like this >that >sometimes cause me to agree with Avon's low opinion of the human race... I agree. >My sympathies, Annie. When animal camouflage breaks down. Interesting that you're on aol. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Steve Rogerson wrote: >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks >down..." >What exactly do you mean by this? Annie has said she has suffered various >methods >of on-line abuse because of her views. I know what she's saying. >A number of list members have spoken up >with messages of support I know. (and I add my support here, because Annie you do a lot >for fandom and you don't deserve this) When animal camouflage breaks down. , and your response has been this inane >camouflage message. >Are you in favour of these attacks? If so why? He who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken. >Are you responsible totally or partially for these attacks? No. >Have you participated in these attacks? No. >Have you the guts to answer these questions? Yes. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Orac
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

> >From: "Sally Manton" > >Dana wrote: > ><POV Avon, Orac is "just a machine"--in other words, doesn't even qualify > >for his slimline view of human rights--but shouldn't have Blake been > >worried > >about the freedom of the honest AI to think and speak?> > > > >Oh yes, but two points: > > > >Orac would most definitely come under Blake's heading of 'crew', and My > >Favourite Autocrat's general rule - "say whatever you like, then I'll get > >you to do what I want" applies. No one tells Orac what to do. Orac runs rings round the lot of them. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: A word of warning
by Steve Rogerson 18 May '01

18 May '01

Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks down..." What exactly do you mean by this? Annie has said she has suffered various methods of on-line abuse because of her views. A number of list members have spoken up with messages of support (and I add my support here, because Annie you do a lot for fandom and you don't deserve this), and your response has been this inane camouflage message. Are you in favour of these attacks? If so why? Are you responsible totally or partially for these attacks? Have you participated in these attacks? Have you the guts to answer these questions? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Pherber＠aol.com 18 May '01

18 May '01

How depressing. It's malicious, puerile, unprincipled cretins like this that sometimes cause me to agree with Avon's low opinion of the human race... My sympathies, Annie. Nina

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Re: [B7L] Orac
by Sally Manton 18 May '01

18 May '01

Dana wrote: <POV Avon, Orac is "just a machine"--in other words, doesn't even qualify for his slimline view of human rights--but shouldn't have Blake been worried about the freedom of the honest AI to think and speak?> Oh yes, but two points: Orac would most definitely come under Blake's heading of 'crew', and My Favourite Autocrat's general rule - "say whatever you like, then I'll get you to do what I want" applies. I don't think you'd easily persuade Blake about that 'honesty' bit ("you're capable of evasion, anyway.") _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by Sally Manton 18 May '01

18 May '01

Tavia wrote: <It's also interesting that Jenna is sent over to the Liberator (and a high assumed probability of death) with the two men without any comment either from Leylan or, for that matter, from Blake.> I've always assumed that the three of them were now under sentence of death anyway, as the ringleaders: JENNA: In which case, you can die content. AVON: [Almost laughs] Content. JENNA: Knowing you were right. So they were even more expendable than the rest. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Orac
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Jacqui wrote: >If Orac had been given the choice in the so-named episode would it have >preferred to go with Servalan or with Blake? Orac shows enough >understanding (as distinct from awareness) to make a reasoned choice. > >(The choice might be between doing 'nothing but Federation work' or >'exploring the galaxy.) The Federation would have dismantled him to see how he worked. He would have lost his uniqueness. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Orac
by Sally Manton 17 May '01

17 May '01

<If Orac had been given the choice in the so-named episode would it have preferred to go with Servalan or with Blake?> Well, as long as he got to have a quick look at the personnel on either side, there's no competition. Blake has Avon, who becomes Orac's very favourite pet; Servalan has Travis. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: crimes and punishment
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Iain Coleman wrote > > > > > > > > > Julia Jones wrote: > > > > > > >Julia Jones "Science is not about building a body > >of known 'facts'. It is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting > >them > > > to > > > > >a > > > > >reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever > >makes > > > > >us > > > > >feel good." - The Science of Discworld > > > > > > Yes. A lesson you have evidently failed to learn Julia. > > > > > > >Science and literary analysis are two rather different pursuits. Don't split hairs with me Iain, and stop bloody sulking. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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