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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by M 17 May '01

17 May '01

On Thu, 17 May 2001 09:39:17 -0000, Jenny Kaye wrote: > > M wrote: > > > >It's > > > > also interesting that Jenna is sent over to the Liberator ... I didn't actually write this first part, I replied to it. However what I find really interesting is that the Captain who had been saying the murders of the crew were wrong, when profit enters the fray, he doesn't mind sacrificing Blake, Avon and Jenna. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

In a message dated 05/17/2001 9:55:28 AM Central Daylight Time, Ashton7(a)aol.com writes: > It's because I cherish the lyst that I was reluctant to report that lack of > civility on the lyst now extends beyond its confines. It's also because I > cherish the lyst that I feel I have to share this distressing situation. > Because the next target may be you. <snip> > If you will click on the website link of the person posting the disturbing > messages, > I think many of you will be saddened and surprised to find a rather prolific > member of this Lyst as the perpetrator. I don't know what to make of this > behavior. I'm still coming to terms with it. Until it happened, I wouldn't > have expected a fan to do this to another fan. Good lord! This is sickening. :-( I'm sorry you're having to deal with this, Annie. Hopefully MWC will go very well for you, and you'll have lots of fun to counterbalance this stuff a little. Tiger M

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Susan Beth 17 May '01

17 May '01

Ashton7(a)aol.com wrote: >Yesterday, while attempting to find the source of this Internet Vandalism, I >discovered a newsgroup post that called for an "attack" on my website. {snip} >I think many of you will be saddened and surprised to find a rather prolific >member of this Lyst as the perpetrator. I don't know what to make of this >behavior. I'm still coming to terms with it. Until it happened, I wouldn't >have expected a fan to do this to another fan. What a sick thing to do. All my sympathies, Annie! I hope you'll have lots and lots of positive fannish encounters at MediaWest to wipe away the taste of this nastiness. Susan Beth (susanbeth33(a)mindspring.com)

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Julia wrote: >Given the current potential for confusion, I will point out that the >name concerned is not the solitary inhabitant of my shiny new killfile. Ooh, handbag! >This does not exclude the use of sock puppets, of course. Ooh, double handbag! When animal camouflage breaks down. Now who's the hunter and who's the hunted? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: crimes and punishment
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Iain Coleman wrote: > >No one on this list, or off it, is obliged to spend one iota of their time > >and energy engaging with you. That's true. In our recent exchanges you had managed to > >achieve a more-or-less civilised email message. Thank you. Before I could reply, > >though, I witnessed the latest in your contemptible little spat with Steve > >K. As it happens, Steve is (in no particular order): a good guy, my > >friend, and right. I'm sure he is a good guy and a friend, but he is very wrong indeed. >Socialized ground-ape that I am, I tend to be dissuaded > >from friendly conversation with someone when they deal shabbily with my > >friends. Ah, but what happens when your friend deals shabbily with someone else? Do you turn away? > >In your brief and sorry history on this mailing list, you have shown > >yourself to be deeply ill-informed about crucial issues in performance, > >analysis, literature and epistemology. Is that right? You have also demonstrated an > >absolute unwillingness to learn, I'm learning all the time, Iain. an imperviousness to any suggestions that > >your interpretations might be questionable or open to improvement, I am always open to suggestions. and a > >deeply unpleasant personal manner. Here we go again. The result of this is that people are > >increasingly unwilling to spend any time in discussion with you. For example, I read your analysis of 'Spacefall' with interest, finding things > >I agreed with, and things I would question. Then please ask your questions. If anyone else had written > >that piece, I would have replied and perhaps we could have fruitfully > >discussed the issues. As it was you, however, there didn't seem to be much > >point. You are very angry with me. I can see that, but don't let your anger blind you to what is really going on here. > >It's a shame. That's true. When one strips away the arrogance, condescension and wilful > >stupidity, your analyses of Gan's character and of the first two episodes > >are interesting, thought-provoking and could be valuable contributions. Then I'm not stupid am I? Think about it. I'm sorry I hurt you and Steve, but you have to see the big picture. Do you think I am writing all these emails and putting all this effort in for fun? If it's not for fun, perhaps malice then? No, that's no the answer. So what does that leave Iain? As > >it is, though, your words will increasingly fall on deaf ears, as people > >give up on you in disgust. When this happens, you will doubtless interpret > >it as the cowardly untermenschen, That is an interesting word. Untermenschen means "subhuman". It's a term the Nazis used. Hitler knew a lot about mind control. He once said, "I am not here to make man better. I am here to exploit his weaknesses." Don't confuse me with him, Iain. beaten down by the force of your logic, > >retreating into a cosy hive -- rather than the natural human reaction to a > >person who is self-righteous, nasty, and unable to admit to ever being > >wrong. You are angry with me for attacking your friend. That tells me that you are a very good friend to Steve. A friend like you is a rare thing, and needs to be cherished. I hope Steve realises this. > >Anyway, I doubt I'll bother replying to you again. Please reply to me offsite. Carry on the way you're > >going, and soon you'll have the comfort of being left all alone in your > >little corner, free to declaim to yourself without fear that the echoes > >might challenge you. I don't fear challenge, I want to be challenged. Don't let your anger at me stop you from arguing your points. You do that and everyone loses. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by Tavia 17 May '01

17 May '01

Me, then Jenny: >>Time and chance happen to them all. ... The >>Liberator conveniently turning up like that can only be put down to luck. >Interesting isn't it? There are two takes. The first is that many rebels >have been transported and this is the story about one who got a ship. Seems fairly plausible, but I think there's a bit more too it than that. Blake and co could have taken over the London according to plan A; it was only bumbling on the part of Vila and others that prevented the original plan from succeeding. In that case, good plans, appropriate skills and bravery would have been behind their success. As it is, however, these things all fail, and the escape comes down to blind chance. >Or >secondly, you take The Logic of Empire view that Blake has been set up by >the Federation to escape. That the Federation wants, in fact *needs* an >enemy, and Blake has been set up to fulfil that role. I haven't seen/heard Logic of Empire, but that interpretation seems only to make sense symbolically. >I've covered this in my Leylan/Raiker analysis, but basically the London is >carrying a cargo of very dangerous prisoners. Women don't usually get done >for rape and serial killing. It happens, but not often. There must have been some women transported to Cygnus Alpha otherwise the colony wouldn't have survived. I don't know what ratio you'd need for viability, though. Judging by Victorian family sizes, 15--20 children in a reproductive lifetime wouldn't be unusual but I'd estimate a 50% child mortality rate, so you'd probably want at least 10 or 15% fertile young women for a viable colony ? Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Tavia wrote: Me, then Jenny: > > >>Time and chance happen to them all. ... The > > >>Liberator conveniently turning up like that can only be put down to > >luck. > > >Interesting isn't it? There are two takes. The first is that many rebels > > >have been transported and this is the story about one who got a ship. > > > >Seems fairly plausible, but I think there's a bit more too it than that. > >Blake and co could have taken over the London according to plan A; it was > >only bumbling on the part of Vila and others that prevented the original > >plan from succeeding. In that case, good plans, appropriate skills and > >bravery would have been behind their success. > > > >As it is, however, these things all fail, and the escape comes down to > >blind chance. That's true. > > >Or > > >secondly, you take The Logic of Empire view that Blake has been set up by > > >the Federation to escape. That the Federation wants, in fact *needs* an > > >enemy, and Blake has been set up to fulfil that role. > > > >I haven't seen/heard Logic of Empire, but that interpretation seems only to > >make sense symbolically. That is very interesting. There is certainly a symbolic element to it. But in Logic of Empire Servalan uses a psychostrategist to set up Avon. If Blake and crew were also 'puppets' then... > > >I've covered this in my Leylan/Raiker analysis, but basically the London > >is carrying a cargo of very dangerous prisoners. Women don't usually get > >done for rape and serial killing. It happens, but not often. > > > >There must have been some women transported to Cygnus Alpha otherwise the > >colony wouldn't have survived. Yes, but not very many. We'll take a look at that setup when we come to analyse Cygnus Alpha. Thanks for another excellent email. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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In light of current and past controversies...
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

I found this page very amusing. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame01.html Not only have I encountered all these people on various lists, I've *been* most of these people... But then, I'm strange and twisted. Most of you already know that. ;-) Tiger M

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Re: [B7L] Re: style vs. content.
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

In a message dated 05/17/2001 10:46:44 AM Central Daylight Time, hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk writes: > Wasn't the comedy of Superstud's posts derived from the fact that he > advanced offensive views in an unfailingly polite manner? or have I got > him muddled with another one? No, you've got the right guy. It didn't keep him from creeping me out, but he was polite. Tiger M

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Re: [B7L] Re: script changes
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Steve Kilbane wrote about lines: This made me wonder whether it > >was the reason that Jenna and Cally got pushed to the side, but that's > >entirely my own thought. It was the reason. Especially Jenna. She didn't do the lines as read. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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