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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by M 11 May '01

11 May '01

It "might be" that she is a rotting corpse and it's illegal to marry rotting corpses in the Federation. It "might be" that she is an android or really a man in disguise. Or an inflatable sea bird, or a kangaroo, or a plate of Spam. She "might be" a handgliding penguin from the planet Calufrax, who didn't have an entry visa. She "might be" a large stripy snake called Hector, or a shop window dummy, or she Wow would that be interesting fan fiction Penguin???!!! - its back again The 'woman' thing, I was just wondering how many characters, are discribed as being married? -real question, I cant think of any (are the two in Way Back married?. I'm wondering if marriage is unusual or something higher grades do. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by M 11 May '01

11 May '01

On Fri, 11 May 2001 17:48:41 -0000, Jenny Kaye wrote: > > "Hang the":-) DDJ wrote: > > Jenny Kaye wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >My wife is not the same as "my woman". > > > > > > > > > >Which might be because she's not his wife -- for any of a number of > reasons > > >(prohibitions against marriage in their grade; one of them in a situation > > >where s/he's not free to marry because of family obligations or > > >pre-existing marriage or financial inability to support a spouse). > > It "might be" that she is a rotting corpse and it's illegal to marry rotting > corpses in the Federation. It "might be" that she is an android or really a > man in disguise. Or an inflatable sea bird, or a kangaroo, or a plate of > Spam. She "might be" a handgliding penguin from the planet Calufrax, who > didn't have an entry visa. She "might be" a large stripy snake called > Hector, or a shop window dummy, or she "might be" Sally Manton, or me, or > she "might be" a cut out picture from a magazine. > > When > > >I hear "my woman," it connotes a degree of intimacy/closeness beyond "my > > >girlfriend" > > Does it now? So Jarvik, then, was really a kind and sensitive guy who just > wanted to be intimate and close with Servalan, and all his ordering her > about was just him being loving. > > -- the kind of closeness he'd have with a woman he wanted to > > >marry but hadn't; > > However you want to paint it, though, that possessive is still there. Why is > she "his" woman? What makes her "his" and not, oh, say, her own? > > at the same time, the term doesn't foreground the > > >physical relationship the way "my lover" would. > > Or "my victim..." > > And not elaborating on the > > >details seems in keeping both with Gan and the scene: > > That's true! > > it's not a > > >confess-all-the-details situation, but a brief explanation. > > That's true! > > > >But one of Lennon's greatest love songs is titled "Woman" and conveys the > > >opposite attitude : > > > > > >"Woman I know you understand > > >The little child inside the man, > > >Please remember my life is in your hands, > > >And woman hold me close to your heart, > > >However, distant don't keep us apart," > > Yes, but he doesn't use the possessive, does he? > > "My Woman I know you > understand. The little child inside the man, Please remember your life is in > my hands. And my woman, hold me close to your heart, However, distant don't > keep us apart, Do that, and I will have to tear you apart." > > > Jenny > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] We can't *all* be geniuses
by M 11 May '01

11 May '01

On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:00:56 +0100 (BST), Stephen Date wrote: IMO - Gan is mentally altered because of the limiter malfunctioning. As I see it, Gan, although can't hurt another, couldn't have been altered to be that good while still leaving him with thoughts against the Federation. If they'd altered him that much why doesn't he sing the Federations praises. Further to this when I listened to The Mark of Kane - you know, well some of you know, when Gan's discribed as a psychopath, I felt this was abhorrant to the character I knew and at the end, a;though this is totally me reading into it, what the guy means by Gan being his friend, is that the other guy was lying about a good guy and so it doesnt matter he's dead (sorry cant remember the exact quotes, havnt listened to it in a while). M. (I've skipped forward a bit, and am reading the recent posts). _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Gan and Killing
by Leia Fee 11 May '01

11 May '01

Been following the discussion on Gan, limiters, killing and the phrase 'my woman' and felt the need to chip in. I'm not quite sure where the idea that Gan got the limiter because he was a danger to woman came from. I recall that in his words he was given it because he killed a Federation guard after said guard killed 'his woman'. The evidence for him having a desire to murder women seems to come from the evidence that... a) he killed the guard so is capable of killing - hence the limiter. b) he goes for Cally while his limiter is on the fritz c) he uses the phrase 'my woman' when talking about the woman the guard killed. I'm not convinced these add up to hiim being a killer of women for the following reasons. a) He took revenge on the guy who killed the woman, which seems to imply he cared about her enough to want revenge - no one seems bothered that Avon wanted to do the same to the guy who killed *his* girlfriend/partner/woman/significant other. b) Cally was the one who happened to be looking after him when he came to and released him, it doesn't follow that he was after her particually because she was female. He has a bash at several of the others too if I recall. c) The interpretation of 'my woman' is as has been opbvious on the Lyst controversial at best and doesn't automatically imply possesiveness let alone violent jealous possesivness. I could of course be wrong but there does seem to be rather a lot of adding up two and two to make five going on. Leia

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Re: [B7L] the killfile is your friend
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Julia Jones wrote: > > +----------+ > > | PLEASE | > > | DO NOT | > > | FEED THE | > > | TROLLS | > > +----------+ > > | | > > | | > > .\|.||/.. > >(c) 1999 Residents of NANAE So you can draw. Where do your talents end? Certainly not with snideness. > >"I wouldn't recognise a subtle hint if it dressed up in a purple tutu with > >green stripes and danced on my keyboard singing 'subtle hints are here > >again'." No. There we hear the voice of the great mass, conditioning you into accepting the party line. Do you want to discuss Blade Runner now? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Dayna's family
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

> >Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > > > >Dana responded to Jenny: > > >>>It might be a good idea if you went back into the archive and reread >the > > >>>emails between Tavia, Dana, Harriet, Fiona and myself on the subject of > > >>Hal > > >>>Mellanby(in and around the beginning of April-- > > >>>http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=46210 is a good > > >>one) > > >>>but basically what we came up with is that he's a hypocrite and a > > >>>liar. > > >>Include me out--that may be what you came up with, I don't think > > >>he's such a bad guy > > > > > >My recollection was that there was a 3-2 split on the subject. The case > > >against Hal was ingenious, and I regard it as legitimate speculation It strongly draws from the evidence available in the episode. >(cf > > >Dana's interesting suggestion about Gan's woman), That draws strongly from groundless supposition. >but I didn't support > > >it. Never said you did. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] We can't *all* be geniuses ... (long)
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > >Jenny wrote: > >>If Avon sent a message to Space Command Headquarters (anonymously > >>remember), > >>it would be logical for Servalan/her staff to send the nearest pursuit > >>ship > >>to Exbar, which would have gotten there in a very short period of time; > >>Travis would have been dealt with by the time Blake got into in his shiny > >>suit. Unfortunately Servalan herself got interested and decided to come > >>along, which meant a long delay, and meant Blake had time to get into > >>trouble and need rescuing. > > > >Look, everybody, Jenny and I agree on something! I think there is another email floating about where we agree as well :-) > >>Where does it say that the gun was in another room? He could have simply > >>fallen asleep in the bath. > > > >What a charming picture... You're not too bad after all :-) (and nor am I actually, but don't tell anyone. It's our secret okay?). Then again, "Bathing" could have been a euphemism for other things one does in the same room :-). Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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IMO
by Helen Krummenacker 11 May '01

11 May '01

Means "In My Opinion". It indicates the user realises they are expressing an opion, and not an indisputatble fact. I can not be used to stifle a debate, because acknowleging one's own views are an opinion shows an understanding that other opinions are possible.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > > >Jenny replied to me: > > >>> >No, the avoidance of her name suggests to me "too private and painful > > >>to > > >>> >mention". > > >> > > >>Then why bring it up at all? > > > > > >As you say later, > > > > > > >Backstory seeds may be sown, but the full back story will only be > > > >activated when it is significant to the plot. For example Soolin's > > > >history tells us about GP and what we can expect. As a consequence Gan > > >telling us about his "woman" is significant to the episode Time Squad > > > > > >He has to say something to explain the limiter. That's right. >(And, stepping back a > > >bit, Terry Nation wants to remind us that the Federation are Nasty > > >People). But Gan's a quiet, understated man, who's not going to pour > > >out his life story on the spot. That's true. > > >>> >issue with Jenna, they're acquaintances; maybe he might have opened > > >>up > > >>> >more later, > > >> > > >>But he doesn't. > > > > > >We have no idea what Gan said to Jenna later. We know what is in the script. See above about "seeding" and all that. > > > >Gan is saying that he has to stay with the crew of the > > > >Liberator because he needs people he can "rely" on. That means he > > >trusts them. > > > > > >I "rely" on my colleagues. Some of them, after a couple of years, cross > > >the line and become trusted friends and confidants. This status is > > >hardly automatic, however. But in the scene Gan is telling her that he has to "rely" on them to stay alive. Which I doubt you do with your colleagues :-). > > >Moving back into the B7 universe, I think Avon "relies" on his fellow > > >crew. He doesn't go round telling them sob stories about his love life > > >until it's absolutely necessary, and then he keeps it as plain as he > > >can. See? We agree again! > > > > > >Re Porgy and Bess, my impression was that the love between them was the > > >redeeming feature of their lives (which is why he goes off to look for > > >her at the end of the opera). But they're fairly rotten lives, and remember, all the subsequent references to "my woman" in the musical stem from the initial song "a woman is a sometime thing," in which we learn that: "Listen to your daddy warn you, Fore you start a travelling Woman may born you, love you and scorn you, but a woman is a sometime thing... Don't you ever let a woman grieve you Just cause she's got your wedding ring She'll love you and deceive you and she'll take your clothes and leave you Yes a woman is a sometime thing..." Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Breakdown
by Helen Krummenacker 11 May '01

11 May '01

> Maybe he was getting revenge on the computers for all the times he > > >didn't know what button to press. > > No. He's getting revenge on Avon for treating him with contempt all those > times, by attacking the thing he knows Avon loves. > ::snicker:: Is that the computers, or Blake?

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