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Re: [B7L] Writer and Director
by Alison Page 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

Tavia said - >One thing I wonder is if there's a difference between UK and Europe here. >I'm supremely unknowledgeable in this area, but I've seen a lot of European >films which are incredibly visual and fairly low on dialogue. oops yes, you are absolutely right. It was reflex to lump Britain in with Europe on this, just because I tend to on everything, but in fact I guess the traditions are quite different, in terms of film. TV I don't really know. A

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Re: [B7L] Recasting again
by J MacQueen 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

>From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.lyst(a)jthijsen.demon.nl> >Servalan: Hmm, tough one. Brigitte Nielsen comes close for sheer self >possession, but not for style. On the evidence of the second Cave of the Golden Rose movie, I can only agree... >Avon: Alan Rickman. <evil grin> Oh dear, Mistral will be drowning us in drool at any moment! And Jacqueline, did you really want the entire Lyst to be imagining Vila carolling "Are you free?" to Avon and Blake? Be a nice opportunity for Blake to make a speech about freedom, though... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny-- another thought
by Jenny Kaye 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

Harriet wrote: >Jenny wrote: >>The "Ortega." Since Holmes, Boucher and Nation are all so smart at >>working >>in subtexts like the Aftermath thing or the Gan as sex-killer thing that >>Fiona mentioned in her last post, it would have to have been named after >>Jose Ortega y Gasset. > >Oh... I always thought it was something to do with Daniel Ortega. Since one was a socialist and one was a fascist, and we should "treat these two imposters just the same," perhaps he meant both.... Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Mission to Destiny-- another thought
by Jenny Kaye 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

The "Ortega." Since Holmes, Boucher and Nation are all so smart at working in subtexts like the Aftermath thing or the Gan as sex-killer thing that Fiona mentioned in her last post, it would have to have been named after Jose Ortega y Gasset. According to Encyclopedia.com: (1883-1955) Spanish essayist and philosopher. He studied in Germany and was influenced by neo-Kantian thought. He called his philosophy the metaphysics of vital reason, and he sought to establish the ultimate reality in which all else was rooted.... But it was with The Revolt of the Masses (1929, tr. 1932) that Ortega gained international fame. He held that unless the masses can be directed by an intellectual minority, chaos will result. Relevant to the discussion on Mission to Destiny, and how when they found the crew they were all asleep, and then they were wandering around making up complicated explanations until Avon started providing answers? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] who shot who
by Alison Page 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

Iain W said - >If we look at series instead of individuals there is a steady increase in >killing (as the plots got thinner ;-/): >Series 1 - 15 >Series 2 - 25 >Series 3 - 39 >Series 4 - 55 Now that is a very striking statistic, thanks for doing the work to compile it. It might equally plausibly be as the plots get grimmer, or as the people get more desparate. >I haven't counted up the villans kills >yet (or the single show guests). I'd be interested to see what that looks like. >Also - lots of people get killed by the >gang in series one and two when they are blowing up various installations - >but these are hard to count. I think big anonymous kills by the heroes or by the baddies, have more impact on the audience than the writers probably thought. But I know you can't count 'em very well Thanks anyway Alison

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny (was Terry Nation as Writer)
by Kanna Ophelia 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

And again... <sigh> Forwarded Message: > ----- > <wail> I object! > > > Thing is, Agatha Christie is actually not that great a writer, and as a > > result comes up with impossibly convoluted plots. > > Now, now, "Orient Express" is not a fair example. (I'll admit that one is crap, > although it made a fun movie. I believe she wrote the outrageous solution on a > dare, anyway.) > > Agatha Christie's *detective story* plots, when you break them down, are > sometimes unexpectedly simple. The beauty of them is that she is very good at > distracting you from that fact, so that, no matter how many times Miss Marple > or Poirot or whoever says that in cases of murder they generally look to the > husband or wife, or look to where the money is going, you forget to do so > yourself... And her other talent is for playing against your own expectations > of the genre, so that the murderer is often someone not generally considered to > be on the list of suspects. > > Against the admittedly convulted "Death in the Clouds/Air" and its ilk, you > have to set the skilful simplicity of, say, "Crooked House," "The Murder of > Roger Akroyd," "Murder in Mespopotamia," "Endless Night" or, damn, blanked out > on it name, the one with the poison pen letters... > > As for her writing... I honestly think she's underrated. Her grammar was > sometimes a little off, she repeated words, but her writing has a vivid, > concise quality that many "better" writers can't achieve, and her dialogue and > humour is wonderfully observed. I particularly like the way Poirot becomes more > Gallic whenever he doesn't want people to pay too much close attention to > whatver sneaky thing he's doing/saying... And she doesn't roll around > gratuituously in violence or police procedure, which are my major quibbles with > the crime genre. > > As for the solutions - it's a cute convention, and highly in accord with > Poirot's character. :) > > Of course, her thrillers suck... > > In a way, Nation's > > "Occam's Razor" line seems to be almost a way of having a go at that-- a > > sort of way of saying "only idiots come up with solutions that complex..." > > :). > > But, actually, Christie follows the Occam's Razor approach (which I'm grateful > for the explanation for) quite often, she's just an expert at red herrings. > > ObB7 - um, I *liked* MtD, probably becuase I *am* fond of the genre, although I > found Avon's interaction with Sara a touch troubling... That's just a vaguely > remembered impression, I'd have to see it again to figure out why it rang > wanring bells in my mind - there was something, not as blatant as the Pella > stuff, but enough to bother me. But then, I'm one of the very few B7 fen who > neither fancy nor identify with the anal retentive <swallows rest of sentence > in terror at rabid Avon fen.> Give me Vila any day... > > Or Soolin, but that goes without saying. :) > > XXX Kanna-Ophelia > Femmeslash: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/femmeslash > The Pokeslash Playground: www.tvheaven.pokemon.com > Diversion Tactics: > www.geocities.com/diversiontactics > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. > http://mailman.one.net.au --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. http://mailman.one.net.au

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Re: [B7L] Writer and Director
by Tavia 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

>The expectation that audiences in other countries will speak your >language is more realistic if your language is English than if it is Polish. To be fair, the shorts I'm thinking of were communist hack promotional stuff about hospitals and bricklaying and such, which no-one would have cared two hoots about if the film-maker hadn't turned into one of the better-known directors of the 20th C -- and changed his language of choice to French. I doubt if Kieslowski ever intended them to be shown outside Poland, and they came as a bit of a shock to someone who'd previously seen stuff like 'Trois Couleurs: Bleu', with Juliet Binoche strutting her stuff and lots of rather good fake classical music. Ob-B7, I can just imagine Servalan, immaculate in her spotless white, commissioning 5 short films on the Joys of Bricklaying. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Which Question(s) Would You Ask the Script Editor? (Hypothetical)
by Tavia 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

This didn't seem to go through, so apologies if everyone now gets it twice... David (Seven) asked: >If you, Tavia or Fiona, had the chance to spend >quiet time with the B7 Script Editor, what would >you ask him? I fear I'd be the one cowering away at the back waiting for all the people who know what they're talking about to ask the sensible interesting questions. But some random issues that interest me with regard to Chris Boucher as both scriptwriter and editor (tempered by the fact he's probably forgotten totally)... what were his influences as a B7 scriptwriter (other television, film, literature, real-life issues); did he see B7 as science fiction, and if not, what genre did he see it as; did he see B7 as a groundbreaking series or as a hack rehash of, say, Star Trek; how much leeway did the writer get on producing scripts; what were the major constraints on scripts (budget / BBC interpretation of audience expectations); who was the ultimate arbiter on character or background; did he compile a Sevencyclopaedia-like facts database; how much did he discuss the Federation &c background with Nation and/or the directors; how much did he discuss characters with the actors; did he agree with the direction the series took in season 4, especially with regard to the changes in Avon's character; and how much of the latter was actually driven by Paul Darrow; did he feel a tension between his/Holmes' scripts and Nation's scripts; which scriptwriter was the hardest to edit; which is his favourite of those episodes he wrote, and the least favourite; was he expecting the mass fan outrage/upset at the episode 'Blake'; is he surprised that there are still active fans of B7; what (if anything) does he think of fanfiction... I fear that it might actually be more interesting to present the guy with a written series of questions rather than a live Q&A session. Tavia

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Re: Redemption report
by David and/or Lesley McIntee 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

> From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.lyst(a)jthijsen.demon.nl> > Subject: Re: [B7L] Redemption report > When I got in, the panel was already in full swing, with four panelists > having a great time discussing all sorts of weaponry with the audience. My > favorite moment was when Judith's son (don't remember his first name, but > it wasn't Kelvin) asked about what kind of weapons the Shadow vessels in B5 > would use, since they're supposed to be organic. The consensus of the panel > was that they farted plasma and loaded up by eating beans. Hee. > Ah, that was me causing trouble nice and early to bring the tone down... But it is a logical explanation. > drool a little. It almost made up for the ongoing lack of Buffy on Dutch TV. Something to do with "Buffy" sounding *awfully* like the Dutch word for oral sex, I imagine.... > That might be because I'm not really used to > the Scottish accent, which is a shame, because I really like it. And so you should. > They ought > to use it far more often on TV, so that I can get used to it. Maybe they > could put in a rule that all chief engineers have to have a Scottish > accent. I'd like to hear B'Elanna Torres use one. I wonder who'd have to > have speak Scottish in B7 then, Avon or Zen. "Iz far iz ah'm concern't, ye can stir up a thoosan't revolutions, wade in blood up tae yer oxters, and lead the rabble tae victory- whit'ever tha' is...." >They also > told us quite sternly that if we saw someone walking around with weapons, > such as bat'telhs, we weren't allowed to test the safety of those weapons > by trying them out on the owner. Some stewards seemed quite disappointed > about that... Probably for the best, since the Stratmanns had several practice swords and staffs with them, and I had a live katana... > It had been extremely tiring, but also a lot of fun. I liked meeting all > those lystians most of all. Next time I'm definitely going there again, and > since I should be over the being overworked thing by then, it'll probably > be even more fun. I've already decided that I'm going to stay until monday > next time, so that I won't have to miss the closing ceremony or the > interesting panels that come after it. Also, I hope to be fit enough to go > to the Freedom City party. Good, good. DM

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Re: [B7L] Redemption report
by Steve Kilbane 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

Jacqueline wondered: > Is anyone on the lyst still interested > in reading it? Hell, yes.

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