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Re: [B7L] Kathryn's convention report/slash
by Tavia 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Shane: >In both SLD and Hostage, it is stated that Blake's crusade, >officially, does not exist. If as far as everyone's >concerned Blake's on Cygnus Alpha, how would the >charges against him be relevant in terms of popular support? Bercol: My department has done all in its power to suppress information about Blake and his actions -- there is a total blackout on all reports concerning him -- but still the stories get out. They spread by word of mouth, by whispers, by rumour; each time the story is told it is elaborated upon. Any damage to the Federation is attributed to Blake. The smallest incident is exaggerated out of all proportion until it becomes a major event. Blake is becoming a legend. His name is a rallying call for malcontents of all persuasions. He must be stopped. [from Seek--Locate--Destroy] Additionally, several of those who meet Blake recognise his name, providing further evidence that the information black-out is less than perfect. I guess, however, I was talking mainly about AU or PGP stories where Blake ends up fighting more directly for the presidency and where popular support might be key to success or failure. One could imagine scenarios where Blake toppled the Federation administration, held free elections on Earth, and was soundly defeated on an anti-child abuse platform.... Tavia

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Slash and Random Killfiling
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

I started to write this, but somebody'd better cc it to Annie, since it looks like she's killfiled me too. Crikey, if this keeps up she'll have killfiled the whole lyst by next week... > In a message dated 3/6/01 7:47:30 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > wilsonfisk2(a)yahoo.com writes: > << > We are not looking to prove that they are > > homosexual or bisexual just that > > that possibility is not excluded. > > It is not specifically excluded, but that is > becase > the thought of this interpretation never > crossed > anyone's mind. >> > And you know this... how? Unless you can claim > to be the director, the > editor, the actors, and the writers all rolled > up into one, you have nothing > to base this statement upon. Certainly nothing > to make a 'case' with. > Annie Annie, m'dear, I'd like to quote to you something from a post of 06-03-2001 00:06. ------ :)! I'd just like to quote what Chris Boucher does say, in a December 1992 DWB interview (Issue 108), in response to the question "Was there ever an attempt on behalf of the writers to develop a progressive, ongoing relationship between Servalan and Avon, or between among of the regular characters for that matter?" "No, and this was quite deliberate. Because with a drama series [as opposed to a soap--FM], it should be possible to show any of the episodes, apart from the first and last, in any particular order. So really, from that point of view, it would be essential to try and keep the relationships between the regulars as simple as possible. Occasionally we would suggest that one or other of them would have romantic feelings towards a person outside of the group, but then that was convenient, because once the episode was over, you never saw them again." Or, to put it another way, Blake's seeming lack of interest in Jenna was not an attempt to make the character's sexuality ambiguous, but to avoid the potential plot complications of a developing relationship between principals. Similarly, though, it rules out homosexual relationships between the characters, because the same rule would apply. Now, the second quote, taken from a tape recording made for the same interview (quoted with permission of the interviewer): "I tried to make sure that you could pay your money and take your choice, that you could see what [Avon] did either as a idealistic or totally selfish and cynical.... (Q. but he did save Blake on a number of occasions?) I don't think-- well, there should have been the development there that you could begin to suspect that he did have sort of feelings for Blake. Uh-- not *those* sort of feelings, you understand, but friendship. Brotherly feelings, or whatever, and the possibility of them should have been perceptible. But I would hope in most cases it should have been possible to justify what he did on selfish and or psychotic grounds." ------ That post was made by Fiona Moore. Just goes to show, Annie, that when you killfile people indiscriminately, you miss the argument. Shane "Avon, you were my only friend..." --Blake

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Re: [B7L] Kathryn's convention report/slash
by Tavia 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

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Re: Atomic war / Thatcher v Servalan (2 posts for the price of one)
by Pat Sumner 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

From: "Deborah Day" <d.day(a)thefreeinternet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [B7L] Atomic war Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:18:56 -0000 > I had always assumed that Russia and America would fight it out across the > Pacific or North Pole - after all, why go across Europe when the two > countries are actually adjacent round that side? If they fight across Europe, then other countries can get all the side-effects - friendly fire, debris and the rest. This is assuming a conflict using so-called 'conventional' (i.e. non-nuclear) weapons. > It's only because all the > maps have America on the left and Europe etc on the right and we tend to > think that that is the way of the world - not may maps have the Pacific in > the middle. European-produced maps have Europe in the middle. Maps produced for other countries tend to have their own areas in the middle. For example, a Japanese world map will have Japan in the middle. It looks weird, because we Europeans tend to see our own area's maps. From: Tavia <tavia(a)btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [B7L] Thatcher v Servalan > I also wonder precisely when Channel 4 started, and when it became popular > (I seem to recall a few years of initial lull). It had a few years of initial lull, because massive chunks of the country were unable to receive it. It's a bit like Channel 5 in that respect, but they seem to be dragging their heels on that one. We were lucky (or unlucky?) - we got Channel 4 on the first day, clear as a bell, in glorious black & white! (It would have been in colour, but we only had a black & white set. We got our first colour set in 1987 - my parents were waiting to see if colour television would be popular! > (But then was B7 first shown on beeb1 ?? I can't remember.) Blakes 7 was indeed shown exclusively on BBC1. It was on Monday evenings at 8.10pm (as far as I remember); the fourth series I seem to recall was switched to Saturdays (at about 6pm?) Wildean

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Re: Pornography (getting OT)
by Tiger M 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Ellynne wrote: > Third, however, is that I believe the studies that > connect porn with > various social problems. I live in the country that > accounts for about > 75% of the documented serial killers in the world, > where stats on crimes > against women have gone through the roof. Do you > think I'm going to > lightly dismiss studies about media's influence on > this? Not at all. I would, however, like to point out that there are numerous countries where sexually explicit material is much more accessible than it is in the US, yet have much *lower* violent crime rates. Japan comes to mind. So does Germany, at least judging by some of the shop displays I saw when I was there. That was a long time ago though, so those who are more knowledgeable than I are welcome to correct me. I think US crime rates have far more to do with the acceptability of violence in our culture, combined with the availability of firearms, as well as economic factors like the increasing gap between the wealthy and the poor than they do with smut. Tiger M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [B7L] Thatcher v Servalan
by Tavia 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

Fiona: >I was recently reminiscing about the great SF of yore with a friend and >we noticed that all the good shows (with one or two exceptions) seem >to have either ended or gotten really rubbish round about 1985. "What >happened in 1985, I wonder?" I said."EastEnders," he said. I also wonder precisely when Channel 4 started, and when it became popular (I seem to recall a few years of initial lull). Certainly there was a time when it seemed to take over most of the functions of BBC2. (But then was B7 first shown on beeb1 ?? I can't remember.) Tavia (who wonders sometimes if she's the only UK citizen who's never seen an episode of EastEnders...)

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Re: [B7L] PWP (porn? what porn?)
by Tavia 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

Fiona responding to me: >> You could also say that it's *fiction*. And rape fantasies are >>supposed to be rather common. >A fact of which I'm aware, and the implications of which >I find somewhat disturbing. Umm, why, might one ask? Tavia

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Re: [B7L] CWC (corn? what corn?)
by J MacQueen 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

>From: Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> > > Oh, yeah, sure. Just pop on in here and behave like some kind of kernal, > > giving orders. Fine, bee that way. I don't want another 'row'. >Please, people. Can't we learn to live in hominy? I don't know whether people would be more pleased or more horrified to learn that I bought a book from Borders yesterday that has a page that teaches you to draw corn. There's another page that teaches you to draw puffins, but that's another story... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Atomic war
by J MacQueen 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

>From: Mac4781(a)aol.com >What's a "Barmy Army"? The Barmy Army are a group of rabid British cricket fanatics. They can be told apart from some rabid Australian cricket fanatics only by their accents and their tendency to sing. How the latter aspect fits into Harriet's Galactic Test Match scenario, I don't know, but it might explain the music being played aboard the Space Princess. Regards Joanne Why do they sing, anyway? Is it a carryover from British soccer fans? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Re [B7L] PWP (porn? what porn?)
by Tavia 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

Fiona: >I've also seen some (admittedly only a few, *but*) fan porn stories >which I would say excuse, or even romanticise, rape. Which as a >woman, if not a feminist, I find somewhat disturbing. >You can argue >that this is only the extreme fringe-- but I think this is the fan porn >equivalent of the "genuinely nasty stuff" you referred to, Neil, and >it's worrying. You could also say that it's *fiction*. And rape fantasies are supposed to be rather common. Tavia

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