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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 7:04:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littles(a)lycos.co.uk writes: << If you accuse me-- who doesn't in the slightest _care_ what direction fandom goes in, so long as it's not hurting anyone-- of trying to control fandom, you are in a sense likening me to Ms Gies. Is it so surprising that I resent the implication? >> <No, I do not blame you for resenting the implication. Thank you for finally explaining what you really meant. The invocation of Diane Gies, out of the blue with no further explanation, made no sense within the context of the conversation. Annie> Thank you for acknowledging my discomfort. However, since you say you've known her for 10-15 years, I'd assumed you would have been familiar with her anti-slash policy. Shane "It's a great pity you and I have always been on opposite sides." --Avon

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 6:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: << No, but it's good to have both perspectives, isn't it? >> Well, no. Most people are in fandom to enjoy themselves. YOu know, to have a good time. That means doing things that they like, reading the fan fiction that they enjoy and maybe writing the fan fiction that they enjoy. Why should a slash fan give a flip what someone who doesn't like slash thinks about slash? Same for any other segment of fandom. You seem to be assuming that h/c fans or slash fans or fill-in-the-blank fans *want* to know why you don't like what they like. Speaking for myself, I don't spend time worrying about that kind of thing and when someone comes along and insists on telling me why they don't like what I like, I'm going to say "You're entitled to your opinion" (and you are!), but I don't really care why they don't like it. I'm going to spend my time, as Carol said, recommending good reading and chatting with those other fans who *do* share my interests (*whatever* they may be). Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 10:45:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mac4781(a)aol.com writes: << I think that's my cue to cut out of this discussion. >> Actually, me, too. There's no point in preaching to the choir and them's that don't "get" it... well, they don't get it. And I don't much care for passive-aggressive behavior. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: To apologise or not to apologise
by Tavia Chalcraft 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

M wrote: >... in Sarcophagus when Avon says you can take my life, >I think he's VERY serious. I think after Anna's death he is >vaguely suicidal/ depressed Be pretty strange if he were not unhappy (though not necessarily depressed, depression is almost defined as unhappiness that *isn't* caused by anything, or is out of proportion to the stimulus). Thoughts of suicide certainly might be expected to make one brave with respect to threats to one's life. I thought the 'gospel' explanation for Avon's words to the Cally alien was simply that the alien had absorbed part of Cally's consciousness/character, and Avon was therefore trying to push it towards an action that Cally would resist because of feelings (of whatever nature) for Avon. That is, that Avon was bluffing. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] To apologise or not to apologise
by Sally Manton 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Please note, all the following is I-the-HO of a someone you all know is unabashedly biased.

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Re: [B7L] The Gospel
by Sally Manton 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Natasha wrotes: <Agreed. Blake's not my favourite character, but I find him the most intriguing and difficult to understand.> With Blake, the usual hero/villain/anti-hero boundaries don't work. Heroes aren't supposed to kill as dispassionately, to be as calculating (when he has to), to have that ice-cold streak - to be willing to take all that blood on their own hands (nor, on a lighter note, to be that autocratic and obstinate and bad-tempered :-)). Anti-heroes aren't supposed to be warm and caring (and yes he *is* IMHO, you've all heard the arguments :-)). Villains (and there are times when what I've read in fanfic or the archives pretty much makes him out to be the villain of the whole piece) aren't supposed to be on the side of freedom, be willing to sacrifice themselves for others, or have a weakness for helping metaphorical lame puppies. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Sally Manton 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <Oh, guys, this HURTS. This really, bloody hurts.> No, no, Fiona, please DON'T feel that way - I don't think anyone meant that that's what you were doing - as I said, I KNOW the serious posters do not intend to make me feel anything of the sort. And lot of the time I enjoy a great deal of the same discussion, without the "ummm, that's me we're talking about" feeling creeping in. I'm not for one minute *blaming* anyone for the way I sometimes feel, any more than I would feel to blame if I accidentally bumped someone's corn that I didn't even know was there. It's just that - being the way I am - sometimes that is what it feels like *to me*. That's what I was trying to explain, and why I react with a deflecting joke rather than a serious comment. Again, let's go back to the nature of the medium, the web. Were we in Neil's actual rather than virtual pub, and this hc discussion started, and I started feeling a bit over-analysed, you'd be able to tell far better and without words - voice, body language, the way I suddenly found a pressing appointment elsewhere :-) - and metaphorically 'back away' a bit. On a computer screen, it's very much harder to get signals about what the person who wrote the words is feeling, especially since we all have different levels of comfort with different types of discussion, as we all have different senses of humour. And no one can get the nuances all the time; no matter how sensitive we are or try to be, words on a screen are rather bald, catching what's underneath is hard. Ob B7 - why then do I find it so great to watch My Darlings fight up hill and down dale, when I hate it so much myself? No, I don't really need the answer to that one ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Did you order figures at Redemption?
by Judith Proctor 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Did you order some Blake's 7 figures from us at Redemption? Unfortunately the pad of paper which we took the orders on has gone missing. I know what was ordered - if you ordered any (or know either of the two people who did) please contact us. Richard -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Re: To apologise or not to apologise
by M 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Firstly - sorry Tavia, I should have said from what B7 fiction I've read, which I admit is limited. Secondly, the reason I was wondering was also partly the idea about Blake's death. It was, what if he had died dramatically in Star One or even in Blake. It would definately have changed the serious, OK I think for the worse, pessimism and dystopia were definate pluses in Blakes 7. Much better stories then happy go lucky series. However then Blake would be dead, but I dont think people would mind as much as they do that Avon shot him. I dont believe Neil's idea that Blake was a clone (OK I know it was facetious, I thought we had to be serious now???!!!) I do believe Avon was 'stressed' in Season 4 and also at the end of season 3. Don't know if anyone else read this into it, but in Sarcophagus when Avon says you can take my life, I think he's VERY serious. I think after Anna's death he is vaguely suicidal/ depressed - this is my opinion only, if you dont agree - good, if we all agreed life would be dull. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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RE: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Louise Rutter 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Betty wrote: >It kind of saddens me, actually, to think that *why* >individual fans are into the things they're into has become the kind of >topic which can't be discussed without generating hurt feelings. >Because it's something that's really, truly, interesting to me. Much as I like to avoid 'me too' posts, every now and then I can't resist and you really deserve one for this, Betty. FWIW, I didn't see anything wrong with Fiona's questions either, but then I love analysing fandom too. Hey, that's part of the joy of cons - I think the panels I enjoyed most were the ones looking at why the various fans write/think what they do. Louise

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