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Re: [B7L] To apologise or not to apologise
by Tavia Chalcraft 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >The decision to shoot was, I think, > both conscious and deliberate, but in his mind he was not shooting the Blake > he had known in the past and had hoped to find again, but a stranger who > had, albeit unwittingly, turned everything upside down amid chaotic and > stressful circumstances. ... and I think he has just blown his cover. Pretending not to be a character junkie, indeed! Ellynne, then Neil: >> But, I think it's also more than he can take as a >> character. >I have always seen that as a case of fannish wishful thinking. I agree with Neil, though I'm not sure that this was quite what Ellynne was trying to say? However one might try to explain or excuse, it happened, and Avonfen (me included) just have to put up with the implications for the character of Our Favourite Love/Lust Object. I recently saw Hamlet (the version with Gareth Thomas), with Hamlet played as entirely rational throughout nearly all the action. However much one sympathises with Hamlet, in that take, it was hard not to blame Hamlet for the deaths of Polonius (directly) and Ophelia (indirectly). The only way I personally could absolve Avon would be if he were clinically insane at that point, and (not much wishing to get into this debate) I tend to the view that he is highly stressed, emotionally exhausted, but not insane. Tavia

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Oxfam
by Judith Proctor 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

I'm still totally bushed from Redemption, but I'd like to say a big thank you to everyone who bought books from my Oxfam stock and also to those who dontated books. We took over 130 pounds for Oxfam and have had several boxes of really nice books donated which I'm sure will raise further money for victims of the Indian earthquake and others in desperate need. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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On Domes
by Tavia Chalcraft 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

I did a few calculations for a story on how many people would plausibly fit in a dome. Assuming: (1) a dome radius of around 1 km; (2) a slightly 'cut-down' hemisphere (there must be a word for this but I don't know it); (3) space-filling vertically to fill; (4) 50% of the space filled by industrial or communal uses (parks, transport &c); and (5) a space allocation per family/couple roughly equivalent to a two-up, two-down terrace house on average (this felt conservative to me: higher classes might have more, but would form a relatively small proportion of the total population, lower classes would almost certainly have less). I reckoned you could accommodate several million people in a single dome. This rather surprised me. (Maybe I did my sums wrong.) I agree with those who have postulated living like this would tend to induce a cryptic style of speech. The idea felt to me like my London commuting years.... Tavia

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Fwd: Want a Redemption '01 T-shirt?
by Carolan 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

hmm, sorry if you get this twice; I hit send, then noticed an error....... > >> Hi, I'm de-lurking to make a sales pitch for our magnificent t-shirts (modelled by numerous folks last weekend at Ashford). As we sold all our stock at the convention and have had requests for more, I'll have some printed if I get enough orders. So if you missed out, but crave one of the (IMO) best convention t-shirts around, send me your name, address, t-shirt size(s) and a cheque for £11 per t-shirt payable to Redemption (sorry, restricted to UK only). Orders must be received by Thursday 8th March 2001. As Lesley is up in snowy Scotland on her honeymoon, send your orders to: Anne Wells, 34 Bollington Road, Easterside, Middlesbrough, TS4 3NF Anne ps... if I don't get enough orders to make a print-run viable, your cheque will be returned to you. >> >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Want a Redemption '01 T-shirt?
by Carolan 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Hi, I'm de-lurking to make a sales pitch for our magnificent t-shirts (modeled by numerous folks last weekend at Ashford). As we sold all our stock at the convention and have had requests for more, I'll have some printed if I get enough orders. So if you missed out, but crave one of the (IMO) best convention t-shirts around, send me your name, address, t-shirt size(s) and a cheque for £11 payable to Redemption (sorry, restricted to UK only). Orders must be received by Thursday 8th March 2001. As Lesley is up in snowy Scotland on her honeymoon, send your orders to: Anne Wells, 34 Bollington Road, Easterside, Middlesbrough, TS4 3NF ps... if I don't get enough orders to make a print-run viable, your cheque will be returned to you. Anne (a.k.a. Londo's Dancing "Girl") __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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all our pomp of yesteryear
by Alison Page 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Iain recalled redemption - >'Political System in SF' panel... the rather disturbing (not to say embarrassing) anti-American jingoism that kept rearing its >ugly head. Well, I don't know. I think there's a difference between criticising a state, or a political system and criticising 'Americans'. I'm sure when the British Empire controlled about a quarter of the earth, people across the world were highly critical of the institutions of that empire, and I think that was quite a good thing for all concerned. Horizon is definitely on this subject, but I guess people from other countries lose nothing by taking it in their own ways, and referring back to their own histories. In this panel we were talking about the SF idea of 'utopia'. There always seems to be a country which has a lot of power at any one time. At the moment the US is in such a position. I think both history and SF say that hegemony comes and goes. But perhaps it is quite understandable for some people in the currently dominating system to think that it is a uniquely good, uniquely enviable, and uniquely immortal system. In other words to start to use utopian terms. The Romans did it, the Chinese did it, the English did it. Probably the Huns, Aztecs and Hittites did too. More thoughtful people - even Kipling the poet of empire said - soon we will be one with Nineveh and Tyre. So I think two critical attitudes are quite appropriate for people to take towards the currently dominating world power(s) - to criticise a powerful system in so far as it imposes on other nations, or conflicts with the traditions of those nations (though realising that sometimes traditions do need to be overthrown) - to criticise the complacent attitude that any one particular system is utopian or approaching utopia which is *occasionally* found in any highly successful economic or political system And I do think these serious points can be made using irreverent remarks. But none of this is to criticise American people themselves, who after all are just as likely to criticise their own government and institutions as we are, probably more so. Alison

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FW: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Roberts, Patricia ＠ CSE 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Fiona Moore > wrote: > "Not sure where, to be honest, but it was banned on its initial US release in the early 1980s-- the PBS station(s) showing it just started from Space Fall. Which information I have from Gareth Thomas, in case you want to know the source." The initial US release was on the Philadelphia PBS station in 1985-86. IMO Gareth may be mistaken. Nothing was banned here. The series was run twice. The first time was five days a week, Monday-Friday. The second time was once a week for 52 weeks. Made it very easy to tape it twice. Now I have 3 copies, the first 2 off the air and the 3rd, the "professional" tapes. Pat

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Re: H/C (was in clam discussion)
by Betty Ragan 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

<Betty looks at subject line of her last post> Gee. Were we talking about clams? I thought it was penguins... (And did I just hijack my own thread with inappropriate frivolity? ;)) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: To apologise or not to apologise
by Betty Ragan 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Tavia wrote: > These are also very interesting premises for PGP, but I disagree that you > can wring even more angst out of a situation with Blake alive than with > Blake dead. A dead Blake who can't understand or forgive gives me an angst > reading of 1, as does a live Blake who can't forgive, and a live forgiving > Blake scenario where Avon can't accept the absolution offered. You're quite right, of course; it's entirely possible to peg out the angst-o-meter with a dead Blake. :) What I probably should have said is that having Blake live can present a whole different set of angst possibilities with which to peg out said meter, and for those who are into angst, it's pretty natural to want to delve into those, as well. I do agree with you about wanting to keep the tragedy, though, which is why I firmly believe they're *all* dead, no matter how much I might enjoy the occasional PGP. > Actually, I think Betty's reasons (a) and (b) are the most likely > explanations. Although they don't actually explain my *own* occasional attempts at foraying into PGP-land... For me, it's definitely the angst thing. :) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: [B7L] Re: H/C (was in clam discussion)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/27/01 2:40:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, bragan(a)aoc.nrao.edu writes: << <Betty looks at subject line of her last post> Gee. Were we talking about clams? I thought it was penguins... >> I like my clams fried. With tartar sauce. And just what *did* the crew eat in Blakes 7? Annie

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