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Re:fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

> I watched _Voyager_ pretty much just for the holo-doctor, until I > finally got to the point where I just couldn't take any more of the > stupid plots or a certain main character... > Me, too. For me, the breaking point came around the 6th episode. Also Me, too, to Mistral's preference for Ares, Joxer, and Autolycus over the leads in Xena. Actually, I stopped watching when it got bogged down with Xena knowing she was fated to be crucified and trying to drive Gabby off to spare her. Blake's 7 can be dismal without being dull; most other shows don't pull it off as well. Maybe because the heroes *don't* accept Fate?

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Re: Sally-speak
by Betty Ragan 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Responding to me, Sally wrote: > <I, on the other hand, always refer to them as Our Protagonists, because, > um, heroes some of 'em ain't... Besides, I'm sure at least two of them > would object *strongly* to the appellation. :)> > > You don't think he'd object to My Darling ..? Well, of *course* he would. But, see, you're much braver than I. :) Although when I started college I had a sticker with his picture on it -- in full 4th season leather-and-studs mode -- which I stuck to the side of the coffee machine in my dorm room. When I mentioned it to a fannish friend and she asked me why I'd put it there, I, rather flippantly, replied that it amused me to have him doing the (rather demeaning) job of making my coffee for me. To which she said "Wow, I'd be afraid of his reaction to that!" Which actually gave me a momentary shiver. Once again, I'm *glad* he's safely fictional... I think I've mentioned this before, actually, but my mother's reaction when I acquired said sticker was amusing: "You bought his picture? That arrogant *bastard*, and you bought his *picture*?!" I was really quite impressed. I hadn't thought she'd paid that much attention to the show. (Then again, IIRC, she *had* just seen "Orbit.") Come to think of it, that's possibly the only time I've ever heard my mother use the word "bastard." At any rate, I can, with some degree of literal truth, claim that Avon is, in fact, the man my mother warned me about. :) > [a] I am still of the Firm Opinion that if - due to The Space/Time > Phenomena Known as Mary-Sue - I landed on the Liberator, I'd not > only *not* be His Darling, he'd have me out an airlock within a > week (and that's 1st/2nd series only, where Fearless Leader > wouldn't *let* him at first. 3rd series, I'd be lucky to last > three days. Wow, that long? Actually, I figure I'd manage to get myself killed within 24 hours and save Avon the bother... -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Carol quoted Wendy quoting me: <IHMO*only* - I am about to write something about Tarrant.> Actually, I meant that *precisely* how it was worded; the most unpleasant reply I've had to a post is when I actually wrote *in praise* of Tarrant's behaviour at one point. And the reaction to a *serious* post on his good and bad qualities can be quite narky, despite the fact that he's got less of both (IMHO*only*) than some of the others, including Avon. I take the character fairly seriously - I may not love him as I do My Darlings and Vila, but he's still fairly high on my list of favourite characters. I have my own quite complicated version of Tarrant, whom I like rather a lot and find an interesting study and *do* want to discuss occasionally (though the endless re-writes of the posts to try and bowdlerise the boy are a pain). I do, however, recognise that [a] it is mine and mine alone (isn't this true of every character?) even if I think it's backed up by evidence and [b] the fact that it *is* mine and I'm not demanding anyone else adopt it doesn't get recognised as often as I think it ought to. Hence the bowdlerisation (which I don't have to do with anyone else, not even Dayna) and hence the IMHO*only*. NB - I also rather like what I think is Steven Pacey's version, even if I disagree with his "'what personality?" on the 7fold-whatsit tape. Sometimes when I find versions being touted on the Lyst (and there's no reason why anyone else shouldn't tout their version) too sugary, I head back to the video to remind myself of it. I've also seldom liked fanfic versions, which seem to swing between Bitchy-Superjock-from-Hell (and not even good bitchiness, though he *has* a neat way with a verbal stiletto when he likes) and Sir-Galahad-in-Space, so sweet and virtuous and dutiful and noble and squeaky-clean that he makes my teeth ache (yes, there are similar version of both Avon and even Vila. *They* make my teeth ache as well). The fanfic Tarrant I've read that I found by far the best was by (again) Suzann Lovett in 'Doppelganger' - quite wonderful sharpness, glitter and speed. And final point - and yes, this is for Wendy as well as anyone else who hates my burbles or my version of B7 - feel free to killfile me. I promise I won't be offended if you do. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re:fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

> Then there's the Servie fans ... I am a fan of Servie, although not That Way. She just exudes style and glamour, and therefore she is incredibly fun to imitate. Allan and I will be doing Avon and Servalan at Baycon one day this year. I am a bit worried, because I'm also in Artist's Alley and it seems likely I may get ink and paint all over my white dress, but where there's a will (of iron) there's a way.

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Re:Cheryl
by Helen Krummenacker 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

> but so is everyone's assumption that newcomers don't > have the 'newbie' jitters and that they are quite > content to have one sided conversations until someone > decides to respond to their awkward prattle. > We were all new once. I'm trying to remember--I don't think I started by introducing myself. I think I began by responding to posts on-topic. Meyers-Briggs was the big thing that I came in on the end of and I got steered to the Keirsey site in response to my questions. A short while later I had *a lot* to talk about. I also was inclined to use the name of my B7-based role-playing character, Avona, for a nom-du-net, and wanted to har from those established on the list if that would sound conceited or be okay. In short, I was asking questions and provoking comment. I only got to know the people behind the names, as it were, very gradually. One thing we do like to share in the way of personal information is where people are based, generally and how you came to know the show. You may have mentioned these things, but it really only registers on my brain when it's the topic of general conversation. It's interesting to see how Blake's 7 has spread and how the introduction effects long-term biases-- I came in on 3rd season. There's a suggestion that people prefer the first Travis they see. So... My name is Helen, I'm from California, and I got hooked on the show while watching it broadcast from a PBS station in Orange County. Nice to have you with us, Cheryl.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Tavia Chalcraft 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Helen wrote: >Like Avon, Willow has computer skills that have been left out by scripts as she becomes more of a fighter/hero in her own right. I'd love to meet the alternate Avon then (as the alternate Willow was ...um... not very describable on this list). But I did rather bewail the loss of Willow the geek. Tavia

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Point of dispute...
by Nathan Hook 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

I may have taken this out of context, but Calle said that Lucy Lawless (Xena) was Australian. As a "kiwi" who knows that tall Lucy is in fact a New Zealander, I was most upset. Russell Crowe has a foot in both camps, being born in NZ and moving to ozzie and living there most of his life, that pretty much makes him ozzie. Lucy is most certainly "kiwi" however and as for the goldmining thing, well this is where I thought I may be out of context. Neil was mentioning accents. I guess in the case of Xena and Hercules these are for the most part, intended for US market demands and the US folk have more affinity with familiar accents. Besides, New Zealand accents would probably sound more peculiar. It is amusing seeing actors well known in NZ, having to "put on" a different voice though. It is amusing too that american accents carry less authenticity than proper British ones though. I recall an american actor saying how frustrating it was to do Shakespeare and then be seen as non-authentic because of the accent. he rightly pointed out that given the period you might be playing, ancient Rome for example, no-one would have been speaking in English public school system voices. nayte. --- I was never welcomed to the list either. But I never asked to be and given that most of the inhabitants are frequently deep in debate, I thought it safer to sit back and enjoy watching the light opera and make the occassinal quip. There are some excellent and interesting debates here. 'A lady of a "certain age", which means/ Certainly aged.'Byron. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free, BeOS-friendly email accounts: http://BeMail.org/ love and pixels .:. http://dieselsweeties.com/

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Re: fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

> > Is it because we, being imaginative, individualists, didn't 'fit in' > > when we were young and like characters who seem a little awkward > > sometimes? > > That would be my guess. We might wish we were heroes, but we know we're > really sidekick material (which is okay by me. Willow is more > interesting than Buffy any day. Of course Wills has her own sidekick > now; does that make Tara Vila?) > > Mistral Hmmm, actor(tress) good looking, but played down by costumes; character notable for loyalty but doesn't trust the others to reciprocate; family background held character back from success... Yes, Tara is Vila. Like Avon, Willow has computer skills that have been left out by scripts as she becomes more of a fighter/hero in her own right. (Willow slaying to vampires when she, Giles and Xander are filling in for Buffy; Willow the witch can acheive more than Willow the geek). Buffy and Blake, hmm-- Buffy has been framed for crimes (charges later dropped). Eerie.

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Re: fanfic
by Helen Krummenacker 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

> Oh, and let's not forget shows that were flawed (NOT B7, of course) that > could have been done better (I keep having this urge to 'fix' Return of > the Jedi and Phantom Menace [and I'm not up to it, believe me]). > Interesting you should mention this. I hated Phantom Menace-- and spent a week and a half rewriting it in my mind until I had a script 10 times better-- after all it's not enough to remove Jar-Jar, you have to make Darth Maul actually interesting and add elements of suspense that will keep people over the age of 9 wondering what will happen.

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Re: Belated greeting, Cheryl.
by Helen Krummenacker 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

> .At least it would have been > honest. You people are exceptionally rude. > > Cheryl. Cheryl, if you're still around-- you didn't say anything I thought needed to be defended or argued against, I suppose. I don't answer *MOST* posts, including those by people I'm very fond of. As I said to Mistral, usually the only replly I can make to her posts is the draful "Me, too" We don't generally do welcoming salutations on the list because we tend to be information-oriented people. If that strikes you as rude, you probably will be better off without us. If you want a conversation, the best way to start it is giving us a topic to chew on. Like, "Did Avon change from dull clothes to flashy duds because originally he was dressing to shelter himself from the other male prisoners on board the London? Or did the studs-and-leather look indicate embracing the more violent life of a guerilla rather than white-collar criminal?" I read all posts; I answer few, primarily because it takes a while to write.

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