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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/17/01 2:35:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net writes: << But I'd say, au contraire, it's an enjoyable corporate extension of a media property--it would be a monument to a fandom if it was in somebody's basement in Peoria and she spent 10 years putting it together, or whatever. << Ah, but if it weren't for the ST fans, there would be no corporate extension, no ongoing property, no *industry* of STAR TREK, much less a steady stream of devotees who slap down money every day to enjoy this incredible attraction in Las Vegas. They would never bother. If there were no fandom, there would have been no ST beyond the reruns. >> I watched my first B7 tape because of Jenkins, and I still think he's right--fandom is the assertion that the real story of the show belongs to the people who love it, not the people who (by a mere technicality) happen to have a TV studio. >> No argument about that from me. I am, however, currently conducting a debate about that point with a couple of the writers who worked on HIGHLANDER, over at alt.tv.Highlander. They insist that the opinion of the fans is irrelevant, and that we ought never be polled about what we want to see on a show in that universe. Sure. What do *we* know? As far as the professional producers, cast and staff are concerned, we're lucky they're doing anything for us at all. I suspect the same applies to the staff and crew of most series. That we'd better like what they do, because they know best. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Deborah Day 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- >Why wouldn't Avon want to see The Matrix? Why would Vila want to see >it? I would have thought Benny Hill was more Vila's style... Now there's a thought ... although I think Vila would BE Benny Hill!. And I dont think I got a welcome to the list either when I joined last year, or was it the year before? Debbie (going back to lurking)

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Okay, Neil; I'll conclude this debate by sharpening this down to as fine a point as possible. It's all about Sex. Leah (Tongue firmly in cheek)

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: <If Blake had destroyed the Federation and set up a new, democratic form of government, would there be anything left to write about 20 years later?> Course there would - he and Avon would still be arguing up hill and down dale, wouldn't they <g>? PS - see Suzanne Lovett, Gemini Rising, for a lovely example of them doing precisely *that* ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Blakes7 & detective stories
by Blenkarn 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Hi I've been away for a few days and see I have missed a discussion on detectives. By co-incidence I've written five short parodies on Mission to Destiny, including an Agatha Christie and a Raymond Chandler version, in my new zine. Does this mean I have unwittingly happened on the spirit of the age and someome will buy it? I shall have to alter my flyer now. Cheers Chris Blenkarn

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Re: [B7L] Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Cheryl wrote: <Naturally, I do not expect every one of my posts to be responded to, that would be an unrealistic expectation but so is everyone's assumption that newcomers don't have the 'newbie' jitters and that they are quite content to have one sided conversations until someone decides to respond to their awkward prattle.> <gurgle> trying to recall - I think my first post was on the subject of red leather ... and the second was a shy-and-shrinking eight paragraph This Is How I See My Darling marathon (you were probably all thinking "where the hell did *this* come from???"). I do not seem to have changed very much ... So tell us, Cheryl - how do you feel about Jarriere? (Trust me, that name will usually get a reaction from those of us with discrimination tastes) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Sally Manton 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Leah/Neil/Leah <a bit snipped for brevity :-)> <Fans don't write fanfic about characters and plot elements they feel were 'mishandled'. You seldom see much of that. Again, I feel it's simply ignored.> <Like, say, the Orbit shuttle? ... Or the cellar scene in Rumours? Or Avon's final showdown with Blake?> <I think maybe we are misinterpreting the word 'mishandled'. The terrible events you cite aren't mishandling. They are high drama, melodrama, script choices. We may or may not agree with them, but they were deliberate.> And they're the scenes which - from my reading - probably generate the *most* fanfic (how many post-Orbit wallows or re-writes to get Avon off the hook *have* their been? How many fans feel the need to rewrite that scene in the tracking room?) IMO those three would probably be among - if not topping - the list of B7 bits that *most* contributed to its cult status (especially 'Blake'.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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[B7] fannishness
by olddays＠idirect.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Hi, all. Sally wrote, in part: <<Is there anyone out there who *does* watch B7 or another show at least partly (and large-part, please) for one of the minor characters, with little interest in the majors?>> Hmmmm... great question! Let's see, for B7, it's mostly for Avon and the interaction of Avon and Vila, Avon and Cally, Avon and... well, you get the idea. :) However, for The Equalizer ('80's show with Edward Woodward as ex-spy guy Robert McCall) (okay, Equaliser for you British/U.K./Wales kind), I started watching to see Robert Lansing (whom I'd been enjoying on Kung Fu: The Legend Continues), but instead ended up totally hooked on Keith Szarabajka as Mickey Kostmayer (hey, he counts as minor, I suppose... was in 4 episodes in the first season, but by the fourth and last season, he had Also Starring billing, and was in 17 out of the 22 episodes. KF: TLC, Robert Lansing as Captain Paul Blaisdell and Scott Wentworth as ex-merc., 'puter hacker genius Kermit Griffin were the reasons I watched it (okay, Chris Potter was also easy on the eyes). Another show I'd watch sometimes was Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, but more to see Iolaus (Michael Hurst) (and yes, the original Iolaus, *not* the knock-off from the alternate universe the show was lumbered with!) then Herc. Re: Xena and Joxer, haven't watched it in a few years, but is it another kill-off-the-character, bring-him-back-for the season-finale? (okay, series finale) like Iolaus in Herc? Oh, and a useful website, if one can't get one's email client <kicks Pegasus Mail> to work: www.mail2web.com lets one check one's email; that's how I'm sending this message, after typing it up in Wordpad, then cutting and pasting it into the mail form. Anna -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Ashton7＠aol.com 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/17/01 5:19:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << This factor might be true for female fans, but even then I'm not sure that it stands up with Buffy and Xena, who seem (though I may be wrong) to have a sizable female following. I can, though, see how B and X might appeal to women as attractive role models (and presumably some women might be sexually attracted to them just as some men might have the hots for Avon or Spock) >> Buffy and Xena *do* have male characters that the female fans tend to like, though. In Buffy, there are Spike, Angel, Xander, Riley, Oz and Giles, all of whom have their rabid fan followings. In Xena, Joxer and Ares immediately come to mind. Now, I happen to also like the female leads (and their sidekicks) in those particular shows, but that doesn't change the fact that there are also plenty of males to be "attracted" to as well. Annie

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Was it something I said :-)
by Cheryl _ 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

To Sally, Neil, Anna and Ellynne, I have just come across your posts - I had to leave the computer for a while and I honestly thought that Minnie had been the only response, I saw that was not the case when I returned. I don't want to bore everyone with a page of responses and hope it is okay to respond on this one post. I appreciate the comments with regards to why my posts were not being answered and also other points.

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