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Mary Sues
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Going back a few days A slight variant on this. Josephine Tey was one of two pseudonyms of this author. ('The Franchise Affair' and 'The Daughter of Time' ('present day detective' chasing up 'Richard III' - the Inspector Morse in hospital and the Victorian murder is a reworking of the idea) in being probably the best known of her works). In one of her stories the character goes to a play written by the author's other pseudonym. And I see at least one other Ricardian belongs to the Lyst (Loyalty binds me) - I have my own ideas. Anybody care to 'compare and contrast' Avon and Richard III? Starting with Richard III Married Anne Neville Avon: Had a girlfriend Anna Richard III Of the Duke of Buckingham who had turned against him 'The one that had most cause to be true the most untrue creature living.' Avon Of Blake in Episode 52??? There are other parallels which could be drawn __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: Women in the media
by Helen Krummenacker 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

> (I *like* Buffy. I *like* Xena. It's just that I'd > like to see a female, non-buff,non-gorgeous, normally > attired nerd who isn't either a dork or a best friend. > Just once in a while.) There's Rosie O'Donnell, but she's a talk show host. When she acts, it's back to the best friend role. Seriously, in America, Drew Carey's about the only male who fits the "non-buff,non-gorgeous, normally attired nerd who isn't either a dork or a best friend" description. So it's not so much a matter of sexism as sexyism-- unfortunately, with the visual qualities of televesion and movies, there's not a great chance of overcoming the camera's love of eye candy. One reason I tend to like British entertainment a bit more is that the girls aren't all size 0 in dresses; there's a closer approximation to reality in the variety of ages, sizes, and style than modern Hollywood shows.

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RE: [B7L] Groundhog Day
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Dana said: >I'd always wondered what Blake's local was called. I saw it in Bristol when I went to Nexus. It was called... oh, I've forgotten, something like the Idealistic Engineer. No, I've looked it up, it was the Reckless Engineer. Just opposite Temple Meads station. Harriet

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Re: Space Fall
by Betty Ragan 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Another thought just occured to me... We don't know anything about the timing of Avon or Vila's arrest. It's doubtful that there's a ship heading out for Cygnus Alpha once a week (I'd suspect once a year might be more like it), so either or both of them could have already been locked up for a long time before we even meet them. Sure, they were in different holding cells while awaiting transportation on the _London_, but presumably they were held somewhere else before that. Maybe they were locked up together? Or, even if Vila had been caught quite recently, if he was held in the same facility as Avon he might well know about him by reputation. I would think that Avon would likely be the sort of prisoner who gets gossiped about. :) (I've seen a lot of fanfic postulating that they knew each other before their respective arrests, but I don't buy it, personally. Not only would it be an awfully big coincidence (yeah, I know, not that that's unusual for B7), but I just don't get that feeling based on the way they interact. Plus, Vila pronounces Avon's first name differently from the one person that Avon actually acknowledges as an old friend, Tynus.) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Richard III [was Re: [B7L] Mary Sues]
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Jacqui noted: > at least one other Ricardian belongs to the Lyst > (Loyalty binds me) - I have my own ideas. There are quite a few of us. I think it's a lost cause sort of thing. I had an idea that we could get a spaceship called White Surrey and fly it round doing, er, something or other helpful to Richard's cause. Certainly don't see Buckingham as Blake, though. Edward, just possibly. George is probably the one who fits the universe best, though I can't immediately think of a direct match - hang on, Margaret is early Servalan, isn't she? Oh, I see, Tanja's suggested that one. Can't see Elizabeth Woodville, though. She's more of a woman from Paul Darrow's B7 universe. Thinking about it, Blake and Richard seem a better match. Both accused of doing something nasty to little boys. Harriet er... Jarriet

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Re: [B7L] Redemption travel plans
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Morrigan asked: >Does Victoria Station have lockers or a place > where one can check bags? Yes. There's a bank of lockers off one of the big foyer areas. If you're coming on the Gatwick Express, let's think, that will arrive at a platform off the bigger foyer. You make your way forwards across this, moving diagonally to your right, through to the other sort of foyer, and turn sharp right to see the locker area, which is up a ramp. I think there are signs to it. There's some complicated system with tickets and codes, but I've always managed to get it to open eventually. They have several sizes of locker. They might close it if there's a bomb scare. With luck, someone else will explain this in a more coherent manner. Harriet (Powder Puff fancier)

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/15/01 3:33:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << We might be talking at cross-purposes here. The forces of attraction and repulsion that I was blithering on are not those between characters in the show, but between the viewer and the show itself. For instance, I am attracted to B7 by the setting and general ethos and (yes) the characters, but repelled by the cheap sets and costumes and special effects. Pulled one way, pushed the other, I find myself caught in the middle and thus have to resolve the tension by seizing control of B7 and turning it into the series I think it should have been.<< Nah. I just think viewers who come to love a show choose to ignore the stuff they don't like about it. You can tell; when you're first trying to introduce someone to this show you've been raving about, you squirm uncomfortably at the bad special effects and other things that you don't want them to notice. >>Of course, a viewer might be attracted by some on-screen relationships that work in the way s/he appreciates, but repelled by others that are considered mishandled, and this too would generate the tension that generates fannishness.<< Fans don't write fanfic about characters and plot elements they feel were 'mishandled'. You seldom see much of that. Again, I feel it's simply ignored. Leah

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character' (of ftopic)
by Tavia Chalcraft 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Morrigan wrote: >That's a pretty convincing MS. Probably why I prefer P.D. James' >Adam Dalgleish. He comes with lots of annoying and human traits >and doesn't have a social life. I can identify with that. PD James is a massively better writer, she has a great sense for place (eg The Black Tower, Devices & Desires). It's a shame she gave up writing her female detective Cordelia Gray (eg An Unsuitable Job for a Woman) as she was rather fun. Scarpetta, well let's put it this way, I've packed up all my Scarpetta novels to go to Oxfam (in fact, ObB7, will probably give them to Richard at Redemption if anyone's intrigued to know how bad they are). I tried to do the same with my PD James and they cried at me from the box to read them... Tavia PS In fact, on the male--female debate, I've been surprised how many men enjoy PD James' Dalgliesh novels.

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Re: Deliverance, Gender and Technology
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Natasa wrote: >Psychologically they are the offspring of Athene, >who was conceived in her father's head. The best Mary Sue EVER! Harriet

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Only six days behind now... Neil teased me briefly with the idea he might go for the trousers: >Nothing wrong with red, though I prefer black, >brown or grey. Everything wrong with leather, >since it comes from dead animals and is bloody > heavy and uncomfortable. Quite, that's why I wear PVC trousers at conventions - they can get a bit sweaty but are quite comfortable apart from that. Also good for watching cricket on a showery day (you can wipe the rain off, instead of getting soaked with no means of changing into something dry). Wish I could find some good non-leather winter shoes. In the early 20th century my great-aunt Lily, the original vegetarian Monkhouse, wore shoes made of vegetable fibres, but they fell apart. I have seen fake leather shoes, but they were hideous. And it's tricky enough to find shoes I can stand in any material given that my feet are size three and a half (that's something like 36 or 37 European). So, Neil, can we look forward to you in red PVC trousers? ObB7 - we've discussed before, haven't we, whether it was really leather or a fake (I'm talking the real, Platonic version of the clothes, not the ones the actors wore to represent them). Harriet

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