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Redemption Roll Call (American Style)
by Sestina94＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Hello All, I've been seriously lurking for the last several months. But, I'm getting ready to travel across the pond to Redemption with Morrigan and wanted to know how many other Americans will be flying over to attend the Con. Can you all make yourselves known? Would be cool for us Yanks to meet up at the hotel and compare jetlag. So Who else is going? I'm going and I've got one of those electric current converter thingies, so if you wanted to bring your hair dryer from home, let me know. Looking forward to the Con! Pat C.

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Re: [B7L] Space Fall
by Marian de Haan 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Jacqui wrote re Space Fall: >Vila when introduced does not come across as a regular news broadcast viewer/listener - but he is more aware of Avon's crime than who Blake is (or was). While his knowledge of what Avon did might be partially professional - they are both thieves of a sort - his remarks to Blake imply that Avon's embezzlement was 'big news.'< Not necessarily. Possibly the Federation wanted to keep the crime secret and gave no publicity to his trial and conviction. Vila could have heard about it on the prisoners grapevine. >(Avon is probably thinking along the lines of 'I'm cooped up with another door to door political salesman - and I can't foist him on another of his ilk and amuse myself by seeing them tie each other in knots.')< This theme was used by Judith Proctor in her very amusing story "Rebel Quartet". (IIRC it's in her website library.) Marian

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/17/01 2:11:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << From: <Bizarro7(a)aol.com> > Fans don't write fanfic about characters and plot elements they feel were > 'mishandled'. You seldom see much of that. Again, I feel it's simply ignored. >Like, say, the Orbit shuttle?< The fans aren't fans of the mishandling. The number one attraction of ORBIT is the horrible situation of Avon, trying to survive by hunting down someone who was supposed to be his friend, with an eye toward murdering him. Not the science or mechanics, faulty or otherwise, of the shuttle. >>Or the cellar scene in Rumours? Or Avon's final showdown with Blake?<< I think maybe we are misinterpreting the word 'mishandled'. The terrible events you cite aren't mishandling. They are high drama, melodrama, script choices. We may or may not agree with them, but they were deliberate. In "Blake", the final scene was deliberately done to be upsetting and ambivelant, in hopes of generating a cliffhanger that would make a 5th season possible. The fact that the 5th season never happened created the frustration that makes so many B7 fan writers seek closure. It wasn't planned that way, but it wasn't mishandling. Similarly, the end of "Rumors" was high tragedy. I never saw it as any sort of mishandling. I don't see fanfic generated by these scenes as 'corrections' so much as necessary elaborations, because the show didn't have the time or will to carry the story elements forward themselves. I thought the moments you cited were highly *original*, something hard to achieve in a script, nowadays. Maybe originality is one of those extra ingredients we need to add to your list of the previous post, Neil.

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Re: Redemption Travel Plans
by Steve Rogerson 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

I've checked on this and was told that Victoria has a left luggage facility that is open 7am to 10.15pm, Monday to Saturday. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Fanfic -- a slightly different question
by B7Morrigan＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

> Tavia Chalcraft wrote: > > > > Someone (Neil?) raised the question of description in fanfic. Do people > > prefer people and backgrounds to be described, and in how much detail? How > > overt does this have to be before it gets annoying? Does anyone have any > > useful hints? I agree with Mistral that it varies widely by reader. I think it's an larger issue in fanfic because some of us may assume that the reader is familiar enough with the show that background detail is unnecessary. We don't need to introduce the characters, the ships, the environment, etc. The readers know what the characters look like, how each generally behaves, etc. Personally, I think the test for sufficient description of people or background is whether or not that description is necessary for the story. Does it enhance the reader's understanding of the plot or the character interaction? Does the environment affect the outcome or even the state of mind of the characters? Does it say something that X is wearing red instead of black, etc. Morrigan "Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered to kill your friends while committing suicide."

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Marian de Haan 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Morrigan wrote: >I certainly write Cally a lot differently than she evolved in parts of S2 and S3, emphasizing her strengths. I also respectfully point out that the Avon-Blake dynamic is often portrayed quite differently than what one sees in canon.< So I'm not the only one to have noticed that :-) Maybe this is another of B7's attractions - everyone can watch it so comfortably through their own brand of coloured glasses. Marian

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #83 - 16 msgs
by Neil Faulkner 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

From: Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> > Now I really wonder if you aren't a closet character junkie. Chandler > didn't think much of his own plotting abilities, but liked giving the > hard-boiled detective fiction a literary boost and put a lot into the > character of Marlowe. <g> Yes, but there's also a lot of social commentary, background detail and wonderfully evocative descriptions. Marlowe is a figure in a beautifully rendered landscape. I far prefer that to a beautifully rendered figure against a blank screen. Neil

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Ashton7＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/15/01 3:33:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << Pulled one way, pushed the other, I find myself caught in the middle and thus have to resolve the tension by seizing control of B7 and turning it into the series I think it should have been. Of course, a viewer might be attracted by some on-screen relationships that work in the way s/he appreciates, but repelled by others that are considered mishandled, and this too would generate the tension that generates fannishness. >> Although I can understand how that might work for some, I don't normally find myself compelled to write fan fiction because I want to "fix" some aspect of a series I like. I find myself compelled to write fan fiction because I become so caught up in the characters and the show (or perhaps simply some aspect of the characters or the show) that I begin to have ideas for stories. If the ideas are compelling enough, I write stories. Although B7 had "cheap" special effects and I'm well aware of them (and have laughed at them many a time alone and in company), I have never once felt compelled to be fannish or to write fan fiction so that I could "fix" the bad special effects. Annie

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Redemption travel plans
by B7Morrigan＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Dear anyone who knows the answer, I have a question about train travel to the hotel in Ashford. I'm arriving at Gatwick but would like to spend a few hours in London before traveling to Ashford. Does Victoria Station have lockers or a place where one can check bags? Morrigan

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Betty Ragan 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Neil wrote: > Isn't that what a lot of fanfic is aimed at doing - getting them to 'come > out and talk to each other'? Whereas what makes the characters feel > convincing is the fact that nine times out of ten they do anything but? I would say yes to both. Which is why it's such a delicate balancing act. It can be a real challenge to have the characters address personal and emotional issues while still keeping the characters in-character as their unforthcoming selves. But when it's done well, it's a great joy to read. -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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