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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by J MacQueen 13 Feb '01

13 Feb '01

>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >What do you mean, *becomes* a penguin? Well, given her tendency to sing "I! I!" or variants in those songs I've heard*, would you prefer Cthulhu cultist? Regards Joanne *Don't look like that - I can't avoid commercial radio all the time... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Fanfic
by Tavia Chalcraft 13 Feb '01

13 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >On the other hand, one of the problems with regular fanfic is the >way it is instantly overcrowded by default. It is hard to give equal >space to all the regulars (for one thing, you probably need a pretty >long story to give each one a chance to shine at some point). Even >harder with just one original character, let alone two or more. This is one of the attractions of pre-stories and PGPs, you can select the characters you want to include and forget the rest. For amateur writers, it's much easier to write interestingly for two or three characters than for six. >(I think I pulled it off with Hunter, which has more originals than regulars. >And I challenge anyone to prove that even one of the ocf's counts as a Mary Sue.) I think male authors are less at risk of being accused of writing OFCs as Mary-Sues. Bloody sex discrimination... Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Fanfic
by Tavia Chalcraft 13 Feb '01

13 Feb '01

Kathryn wrote: >And the more I think about it, the more sexist it seems. Because if a guy >writes a story where there's a guy who's brave, handsome, knows >20 languages, is a crack shot, rescues Our Heros, has one of the >femmes fall in love with him, will he be accused of writing a >Marky Sam (the male version of Mary Sue)? No, he'll just be >accused of borrowing the character of James Bond... Yeah, and an OFC written by a woman has to be one or more of old, ugly and stupid before no-one accuses her of M-S'ing. Sigh. Tavia

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Re: politics
by Helen Krummenacker 13 Feb '01

13 Feb '01

FWIW, I don't think most Republicans are bigots, and I don't like the monetary corruption that goes on in any part of the government. Disliking Bush doesn't necessitate being a CLintonite. In fact, given a chance, I would have voted for McCain. I'm Green Party. Big corporations pretty much buy the government's cooperation with their wants and needs. But the Democrats at least sometimes try to pay attention to the needs of individuals as well. Most modern Republicans seem willing to go back to the late 1800s, when Big Money owned entire towns and food poisoning was a constant threat. I'm also starting a small business. I wondered if this would change my political views when I realized that I'm still labour. I'm just cutting out the middle man, which is management. I think I'll be as resistant to plutocracy in 5 years time. OB7: Avon would be pro-plutocracy. Vila has very individualized ideas about money that would stay in effect regardless of the political system. Jenna, aas a smuggler, probably prefers free enterprise in a small-business oriented system. The others?

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Re: Fanfic
by Helen Krummenacker 13 Feb '01

13 Feb '01

Neil, you had me laughing with the remarks about how to keep the 'tone' of the series, but are there really so few people who enjoy the milieu of Blake's 7. Keeping in mind that not being able to use more than one of the main cast, there could easily be stories about Jarriere, Carnell, or Kasabi? Well, I was talking with Tavia and I am willing to edit a zine on this principle. I'm sure if people are willing to write for it, someone will be willing to read it. Who's game?

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Re: [B7L] Liking 'character'
by Tavia Chalcraft 13 Feb '01

13 Feb '01

Natasa wrote: >I think many writers imagine they're creating a 'TV episode', >not writing a story. Indeed several people have said this. I don't understand why it's quite so prevalent, as written fiction has so many advantages. >Much greater problem, however, is to present their 'inner voice'. >There we move from the realm of imitating >the series into the realm of interpretation. Of course, this is where the character junkies (me for one) love it. >A short story has its own advantages over a play, which >ought to be used, but are often neglected. >Stream-of-consciousness, the moments when a character is >alone and does nothing much in the outer world, but very much happens within. I think this is something that (on average) slash writers do better than gen writers, for some reason. One reason that I find some well-constructed and well-written stories dull is that the characters don't change during the story. Events happen, but the characters often emerge unscathed to fight another day, which is not 100% consonant with the original series. >Not to mention the other elements - I was just concerned with the >characters here. Yeah, many of us have mentioned the freedom to invent interesting monsters, casts of thousands, sexy backdrops &c&c without the budget constraints. Tavia

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Re: Fanfic
by Helen Krummenacker 13 Feb '01

13 Feb '01

> > You perhaps need to define main cast carefully. Where do Servalan, Travis, > Orac, Zen, Slave stand? Zen could be considered one of the main cast, but > there's a lot more fanfic extant about Orac. Those interested in Servalan > have certainly been known to complain of the lack of interesting fiction > involving her. > > Another thing that might be interesting would be to have a story mainly > about original characters (or series one-offs), but allow a brief cameo > from the whole crew. > Good point. With my hypothetical "Pollux the genetically engineered" story, I thought it quite possible that the Liberator might be contacted occaisionally from a distance, allowing for a marginal involvement of the crew. Shall we say, any single recurring character can be used in 100% of the story so long as they are dealing with original characters or a one-show character. (Allowing for Travis and Parr going on a minesweep mission, for instance). Any 2 character can be given a story together, provided they interact no more than 25% of the total story _and_ have other people to deal with. (Allowing, for example, Blake and Jenna to meet again post Star One, but forcing a strong storyline for them as she works with the Dyonast Smuggler's League only to discover they are transporting arms to the Hurray For Blowing Things Up Rebellion which Blake is allied with only until he can move to saner ground). Or, the rebels can be presented as a team, but can show up for no more than 10% of the story... useful for moving Surpercy's Squad from the planet where Space Commander Chauvelain is tracking them down to an apparently nuetral planet, but not enough for them to hog the spotlight when Surpercy overhears the plot that will bring the nuetral planet under Federation dominion. Percentage would be determined by running a word count. Yes, you could mess with my head by flashing from scene to scene so fast it's not worth my while to count, but if you have a wonderful story idea which would go above the percentages I've suggested, I'd prefer you just say, "Soolin and Vila are together for 35% of the story, but there's an orphaned 12 year old who is really the focus... and I'll probably let it slide. One of the key points, though is that Vila and Soolin probably aren't paired that often, and the child is really important. If you create a Blake and Avon story, and put in a bunch of other plot that really stands as padding, I'll probably suggest it would go better pared down and put in a zine dedicated to Blake and Avon fandoms. That said, I really respect all of you too much to think you'd do that. You could have a story 100% about Zen before Blake, etc found the ship, or Servalan in the Academy... as long as you introduce new elements. Any other questions? I love the idea of this zine, the more I think about it. It's a wonderful chance to get new faces into the spotlight and focus on untouched aspects.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Patriarchy (was Deliverance)
by J MacQueen 12 Feb '01

12 Feb '01

>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara(a)juno.com> Oh, frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! On this list, shouldn't that be "Callooh! Cally!"? Regards Joanne (sorry, Ellynne) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: B7 neighbors
by Helen Krummenacker 12 Feb '01

12 Feb '01

> > Would President Sarkoff be the best of the B7 characters to have as a neighbour? > Not with his sense of architecture. Caan you say 'neighborhood eyesore'?

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Re: [B7L] Re: Deliverance, Gender and Technology Re: the idea that technology, as personified by Avon in Deliverance, is a masculine quality: but what about the scenes with Vila and the huntresses in "Powerplay," and of course the infamous "Power"? In both of those episodes we see a male/female social split, but with the women associated with the technological side.
by J MacQueen 12 Feb '01

12 Feb '01

>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> >Subject: [B7L] Re: Deliverance, Gender and Technology Re: the idea >that >technology, as personified by Avon in Deliverance, is a masculine >quality: > but what about the scenes with Vila and the huntresses in >"Powerplay," >and of course the infamous "Power"? In both of those >episodes we see a >male/female social split, but with the women >associated with the >technological side. <awestruck> No, I have nothing to add to this other than declaring it the winner of the longest subject line that this person has ever seen. Congratulations, Helen! <grin> Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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