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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #55 - 12 msgs
by Helen Krummenacker 10 Feb '01

10 Feb '01

> > > character, not the episode, and as based on a statement about his actions > > (that he left her to die) which I didn't agree was *fact* but rather > > supposition. > > 300 e-mails later, and you still don't agree that he left her to die (even > if only in thirty years' time)? Oh well, suit yourself... :). > > Fiona Well, if he'd had her join the crew, she would have died at Guada Prime in a hailstorm of bullets. If not gotten blown up on Terminal. I think dying in 30 years time on her home planet is a better thing. Also, by that logic, they left Del Grant to die; they left Avalon to die (wherever they dropped her off at); they left, in short, everyone to die whom they did not actually *kill or see die* in any given episode. Also by this logic, any old friend who I have lost touch with I have "left to die, even if in thirty years time".

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by Sally Manton 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <You didn't *have* to answer any of them you know :)...> yes, but <plaintively> the alternative was the Work That I Get Paid For. Anyway, serenely convinced as I am that you all love the sound of my virtual voice ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Deliverance
by Sally Manton 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <So what you're saying is, Avon's not going to take her along unless she's of practical use to the crew? Then all that lovey-dovey hand-holding doesn't count for too much :).> <blank look> but of *course* he's not going to want her on the ship unless she's of use. This is Avon, the one who considered spacing the London prisoners for his own benefit and airlocking *a friend* for his own safety. There seems to be a misconception that liking Avon means seeing him as Percival Pureheart in all things. Just because one doesn't agree that his actions in Deliverance are Deeply Appalling doesn't mean that one doesn't recognise other times when they are (Power, anyone?) And to be honest, bleeding heart or no, Blake isn't likely to agree to a 'lily of the field' on a fighting ship either. Nor Jenna. (Vila and Gan, maybe :-)). If she's of no use on the Liberator, she has no place there. That's the reality of the situation they're in. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by Sally Manton 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

After I wrote: <a statement about his actions (that he left her to die) which I didn't agree was *fact* but rather supposition.> Fiona answered: <300 e-mails later, and you still don't agree that he left her to die (even if only in thirty years' time)? Oh well, suit yourself... :).> THANK YOU!!!! <heartfelt sigh of relief> Being allowed to 'suit myself' was all I asked for 300 emails *ago* ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: noses
by Helen Krummenacker 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

> Does anyone else know what a Roman nose looks like? > Nayte Always been a bit confused on that term, so I use hawk-like nose for the hooked ones and "large, straight" to describe a nose like Avon's then I don't have to worry about what is meant by Roman nose, and whether the reader knows as well.

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Re: [B7L] Re:hurt/comfort-- why Avon?
by Sally Manton 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Jaks wrote: <The reason why I like to read/write torture/suffering scenes concerning Avon is probably politically incorrect, but was dismissed as "not allowed" right at the start of this debate. That is *He Suffers Beautifully*. I`ve read all the inticate arguments from some very articulate writers, but for me, personally, it boils down to that one statement.> <grin> Yes, well, we were trying to find reasons for Kathryn *other* than (to repeat my wail) "but he looks so pretty!!!" Does anyone who likes Vila or Tarrant h/c (or even Travis, not that I can recall much of the c in Travisty-dumping) want to weigh in with another perspective? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Sally Manton 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Harriet wrote: <Neil can rise to the challenge of fabulously pigheaded, surely!> But would he sound so wonderful doing it? (I do think Blake is magnificent in Shadow, even if he's asking for a good smack. And he is.) <About the rest... hm... I have a sudden rather ridiculous vision of him donning red leather trousers to keep Sally's attention...> <gurgle> nononono, I don't believe for one minute that Neil is *that* interested in keeping it (after all, those trousers were *extreeeeeemely* tight, both they and the thigh boots would IMO be a pain to get on *and* off ...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] spacing prisoners (was Deliverance)
by Sally Manton 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

After I wrote: <This is Avon, the one who considered spacing the London prisoners for his own benefit> Marian repled: <To be fair - and if this makes me an Avon apologist then I can live with that :-) - we don't *know* that Avon considered spacing the London prisoners. True to character, he doesn't deny Blake's accusation, but that's no proof that he ever seriously considered it.> True, I should have put an IMO in there, since this *is* my interpretation. *I*MO <g> he thought about the possibility, at least seriously enough to work out about the log book and then work his way through to the inherent problems, but had decided against it, probably fairly quickly (said problems stand out rather largely, but if he'd rejected the idea out of hand his thinking wouldn't have got that far). Blake had also thought about whether Avon would, and had quickly decided that left to himself, Avon *would* decide against it, for the same reasons (as he did). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Noses...Marian
by Nathan Hook 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Roman noses are straight! they are prominant often, but frequently straight. You're confusing Roman with Jewish noses, which are also prominant, but frequently hooked. Nazi propaganda used caricatures of Jews with exaggerated large hooked noses, demonising Jewish people to great effect. They used it on their own citizens and even on allied troops. Jews have been the target of abuse in Europe for centuries, their features (wealth and frugality) often used to identify them. Does anyone else know what a Roman nose looks like? Nayte. 'A lady of a "certain age", which means/ Certainly aged.'Byron. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free, BeOS-friendly email accounts: http://BeMail.org/ love and pixels .:. http://dieselsweeties.com/

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Re: [B7L] spacing prisoners (was Deliverance)
by Marian de Haan 09 Feb '01

09 Feb '01

Sally wrote: >This is Avon, the one who considered spacing the London prisoners for his own benefit> To be fair - and if this makes me an Avon apologist then I can live with that :-) - we don't *know* that Avon considered spacing the London prisoners. True to character, he doesn't deny Blake's accusation, but that's no proof that he ever seriously considered it. Marian

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