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Re: [B7L] Deliverance: pehguins
by huh＠ccm.net 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful(a)powersurfr.com> >I reckon one could formulate a Lyst-specific instantiation of Godwin's Law >simply by substituting "red leather trousers" for "Nazis". Hmmm... No, I'm not the best person to lob that particular bomb at the Deliverance thread...More harm than good, and all that... Regards Joanne (Ms Dreadful, on the other hand, seeing as it is her idea, patent pending...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] re: Deliverance and Jan B
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> >A *Roman* nose? Roman noses are supposed to be hooked. Are, rather than "are supposed". I have reason to know this. >Avon's is perfectly straight :-) Which is a minor irritation, at least to me <frown> Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> >As for wanting to keep you sane... do you filk better sane, or not? <raises other eyebrow> Now there's a good question... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >I think it represents a penguin. Yeah, the one in Melbourne being treated for depression, most probably. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re [B7L] Deliverance - keg marxist take
by Neil Faulkner 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Well, since Natasa has cited me as a part-time Marxist critic, I suppose I ought to rise to the challenge... * The only thing missing from Deliverance is the pith helmets, because this episode is little more than a sad pastiche of Rider Haggard with pretensions to being science fiction. Our stalwart bunch of middle-class Home Counties adventurers find themselves ditched on a planet consigned to quaint notions of barbarism through the magically convenient means of 'a war' at some unspecified point in the past. Almost from the start we're told that whatever society there was has undergone a 'reversion to primitive', and it isn't long before we're comfortably assured that primitive means dangerous. The planet itself is dangerous, what with all that radioactivity. Despite which, there are some local primitives still knocking around. First off, we have a bunch of men (plural), who are aggressive, inarticulate, and unaccountably hostile. What better excuse could you need for shooting them with impunity? Well, just in case, the script has one to offer - they like to steal our women. We don't see Jenna get abducted, but surely she wouldn't have gone off with them of her own accord? Heaven forbid! They don't actually do anything with her beyond sticking her in a tent, thus sparing all and sundry the anguish of singing Here Comes The Night. As well as the men, we also have a Woman (singular), who is young, passive, demure, extremely well spoken and has somehow managed to keep all her teeth white. She instantly throws herself at the feet of our sturdy white giants and hails them as the saviours of her people, singling out Avon as 'Lord'. Vila and Gan presumably come from Another Place.

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Re: [B7L] Re:Delivereance= The Lady of Shallott
by Ellynne G. 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:03:31 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> writes: > Fiona, I respect your opinion, but I cannot agree that Lancelot was > callous to send up a brief but heartfelt prayer at the sight of a > mystery woman's body floating down the river in a boat. Been listening to Lorena McKennet's (sp?) version of this all week. It's sappy, but I thought the point was that Lancelot is the only one to feel compassion and a human connection to the LoS, therebye giving some sense her love wasn't unrequited. But then, I wrote a story as a kid that dropped her death and all that only to have the lady be a bad tempered demoness who'd been waiting a thousand years for some sap to come let her out so she could start ravaging that fairy tale countryside again (where do you think she got the thread? She was part giant spider). No, I do not connect her with Brian the Spider. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Deliverance
by Sally Manton 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <Funny thing occurs to me-- why has nobody seriously suggested that Meegatould join the Liberator crew? Esp if she is as intelligent, resourceful, strong, full of personality and feminist as some think.> She's not a criminal, Fiona. They do have *some* standards to maintain ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Harriet Monkhouse 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Sally replied to Fiona: >>But again, her attempt to escape fails, and it is >>Avon and Co. who rescue her in the end ... > ><grin> but you will notice it took *three* of them to do it ... Whereas she rescued four of them - well, Gan didn't make it, but that wasn't her fault - in Pressure Point. Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by Harriet Monkhouse 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Sally was doubtful: >Penny decreed: >No. You have to say you really liked him in "Hostage". >> And you have to say .it like you mean it. > >As in with a straight face? Can this be *done*? I thought he was wonderful, myself. Look, my face was perfectly straight! She also replied to Fiona: >>I've seen "Julius Caesar" played totally straight >>by BBC actors dressed as ancient Roman aristocrats, >>and I've seen it played by an alternative theatre company >>who portrayed all the charactes as working-class >>Chicago mobsters.> > >But have you seen the two mixed up and played with >characters from both thrown together and pretending >they didn't notice? That's the crucial point here for me - >Brian Croucher wasn't playing the same character in a >different production, but a different character in *the >same* production. Well, I've seen the same actor play Cassius for laughs up to the interval and in heartrending tragic mode afterwards. Both worked, but he never made it clear how he'd travelled from one to the other. Harriet

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