Blakes7 January 2001

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Tavia Chalcraft 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

I'd watch the whole episode for the amused / embarrassed / moved-despite-himself looks on Avon's face. Meegat knows exactly what she wants and how to get it. Perhaps she's secretly a psychostrategist, and if the party *had* included Jenna, or Blake, we'd have had a whole different dress and act from her... Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version
by Stephen Date 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

--- Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064(a)compuserve.com> wrote: > Penny made excuses: > >Unfortunately as an imaginary assassin I can only > > kill imaginary people, so you will first have to > present > > me proof that Ben Steed is an imaginary person. > > *Imagine* killing him, then. > > Do you think people like Ben Steed really exist, > then? Apropos of Messrs Steed and Jung, I remember reading in Jung's 'Answer to Job' his theory that the John who wrote the Gospel and the Epistles was also the John who wrote Revelation. His argument was that having written about love in the Gospel and the Epistles, he had to get all the pent up aggression out of his system by writing the book of Revelation. Following this argument, given that Chris Boucher wrote wonderful, clever, nuanced scripts, did he have to get the confused misogynistic rubbish out of his system by writing HoK, Moloch and Power. Could Ben Steed be Chris Boucher's Shadow side ? Stephen Date. P.S. And how thick am I for not realising until 30 seconds ago that the episode Shadow was named, not only after the drug but after the relationship between the Federation and the TN ? Doh ! ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Stephen Date 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

My two pen'north on the subject: The worst thing about Deliverance is that it turns Jenna into a damsel in need of rescue, whilst handing her field of expertise over to Avon. I don't have a problem with Avon's relationship with Meegat - innocence being a rare quality in the B7 universe I can imagine Avon being thrown off balance when he meets it. However, I don't imagine they'd have done something really radical like leave Avon tied up in a tent for most of the episode, and have Jenna meet a personable young bloke in flowing robes, who thought she was the Messiah. - Sorry Sally. Incidentally, may I express the view that Meegat is neither weak nor stupid. Her world view is not a scientific one and she reacts to Avon in a way that most of us would not. (I love the bit when she reassures Gan and Vila that the Lord Avon will protect them) However in the light of the knowledge available to her, her reactions are not unreasonable. Incidentally, everyone homes in on the bits when she is grovelling at Avon's feet. I think one of the more moving parts of the story is when she is telling Avon about the plight of her people and bursts out that, her people had expected him much sooner. Given that at this point she still thinks that Avon is the Messiah, this shows that she is far from feeble. We don't know if she stayed on Cephlon or not - so any speculation is legitimate. The final scene could easily have taken place after her people had been dropped off on an uninhabited planet - or they may have chosen to stay. Power is frankly, rather confused and silly, but there is a definite streak of misogyny in Steed's scripts (the whole Avon-Pella dynamic, for example) which I think is absent from Nation's. (I agree with Neil here) If I to choose between losing Deliverance and Power, I would much rather lose Power. Stephen Date. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: Re: Subject: [B7L] Another fanfic
by una＠q-research.connectfree.co.uk 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Betty wrote: >Una McCormack wrote: > >> Perhaps Avon could then torture Garak? > >Garak would laugh at him. Yes, yes he would! >Actually, come to think of it, I think I'd *like* to see that. Me too! >(And, yes, yes, Una, I *know*...) I didn't even *think* it... ;) Una

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Re: [B7L] A whole new wave of classic old B7 zines...
by Sally Manton 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Leah wrote: <REFLECTIONS IN A SHATTERED GLASS by Joe Nazarro (1989 - Legendary artwork by Suzie Lovett)> Oh yes I've got this - one of the first zines I bough in fact. Very silly story (IMHO only) but I'd buy it again *just* for the pictures, the cover especially is gorgeous. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Announcement re: BIZARRO ZINE
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Linda Knights has informed me that she will discontinue taking orders on all 4 issues of THE BIZARRO ZINE and the BIZARRO COLORING BOOK after the first week in February. After that, she will be returning the masters to me. If anyone has been contemplating an order of these, now will be the last opportunity to order for the forseeable future.

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A whole new wave of classic old B7 zines...
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

...and B7 photos has been posted at the Ashton Press eBay auction site. There's a new feature you can enjoy; a button that will take you to a gallery, where you can see all the pictures of the items without having to open up each listing (remember to 'turn' the pages at the bottom of each display page). Except for a couple of current Ashton Press zines, there will only be one copy available of each of the following: REFLECTIONS IN A SHATTERED GLASS by Joe Nazarro (1989 - Legendary artwork by Suzie Lovett) 11TH SECTOR #2 (Mid 1980's) DARK BETWEEN THE STARS (1990) MEMORY PLAY (1990 - Natasha Solten - A/B slash) B7 THE OTHER SIDE #7 (1989) ZINE AID #1 (1985) SOUTHERN COMFORT 10.5 (New copy - 1999) A QUESTION OF TRUST (1979 - ST/B7 crossover) CHRONICLES #36, #46, #48, #53, #55 (early 1990's) AIRWAVES #5 (1986 - multi-media including B7, Starsky & Hutch, Airwolf, ROS etc.) AIRWAVES #6 (1986 - multi-media including B7, Equalizer, Mission: Impossible, Knight Rider, etc.) ...and more. Take a look at: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/ And good luck! Program Book from PRIVATE LIVES (play with Michael Keating - Manx National Theater) + photo

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Bios
by Ellynne G. 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Since the question came up about giving bios for the lyst, I admit I'm not exactly for it but . . . . Well, understanding that, for some strange reason, I may say numerous things that will contradict this later on (and may have said things in the past that don't fit with it), let me tell you about Ellynne's 7 I am one of seven children. My older brother, Roj - er, Rob, was always getting us into trouble. _I_ saw nothing wrong with leaving the Powers That Be (like the babysitter) in peace (especially when the sitter was watching a really good SF show on PBS, even if it was one with really bad special effects). But this wasn't good enough for Rob. Oh, no. Rob was determined to strike a blow for freedom. Rob insisted on being peaceful and calm only long enough to get the sitter engrossed in the show. Then, we had to go sneak off and plan our attack. Needless to say, as second oldest (and, consequently, the only one who ever seemed to debate whether _Rob_ was the one who should be in charge - or whether there was any point to his revolution), I was always given the most difficult part of the attack (usually tackling the sitter in the legs, though it varied). Rob, as our commander in chief, generally waited till the sitter was down on the ground before really getting into it (the head, he told us, being the sitter's 'Central Command' is the most difficult part. Yeah. Right). I admit, although the younger siblings were pretty tough (special mention for Cal - er, Cathy [her sports motto: "If you've got to foul out, make it worthwhile. They can't play if they've lost enough blood" (hey, you try adapting "companions for my death'" to a sports metaphore] and Sool - er, Linda Sue [she never said anything about blood, she just shed it]) but their blind devotion to Rob's attack schemes was a bit much. Since Mom told me to drop the sweater issue, I will not comment about whether little sister Restal - er, Rachel has any thieving tendencies. While not admitting to having any siblings named Del or Tarrant or anything like that, it is possible I could find a sibling taller than me with curly brown hair, depending on how you define 'taller,' 'curly,' and 'brown.' No comment on 'sibling' (not that I'm saying this sibling would ever date someone whose name started with Z, but you never know). I would like to add that any stories that we had a major rivalry over who should drive the Lib - er, Lincoln are just stories. We were never competitive. Honest. We just had a lot of common interests and a limited number of toys. See the difference? Anyhow, the peasants successfully overthrew the babysitter autocracy. Our parents started leaving us to babysit ourselves at an unspeakably young age (I would like to add that this was not negligent since we had already struck terror into a large portion of the local teenagers. Any poor burglar who had actually attempted anything . . . fortunately, they didn't prosecute children our age for crimes against adults in those days). Naturally, I didn't see any improvement. Especially as the babysitter tyranny had only been replaced by the democracy of Dukes of Hazard viewers. What? Some of you _doubt_ the above? I am shocked, shocked, do you hear me? Look, just picture good old Ellynne as a dyed in the wool cynic with black hair, fair skin, and a big nose and it will all come together (mind you, I suppose I can handle the complexion [no zits (not that I've had many lately, but it's the principle)!], but the nose thing I'm not so sure of. Still, a woman with this description and a small nose would be Snow White which, while it brings in an association with a cast of seven, isn't where I wanted to go [although we all know who Grumpy is, don't we? Unless he's the apple]). Still not happening? How about if I throw in 13 nieces and nephews? You know, one to guest star - er, visit each week? I could tell you all about the escapades of little Rashel - I mean Rachel and Roj - sorry, Rob, Jr. Oh, never mind. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Blake's 7 - the Other Version
by Sally Manton 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

After I wrote: <Let Dr Bellfriar /Gambrill/Tynus/even Dr Wiler >survive and join Our Heroes (lovely set of guests this one has).> Harriet wrote: <Gosh, I must go back and look at Dr Wiler.> He's not nearly as gorgeous as Dr Bellfriar, but given his slow, utterly methodical, will-not-be-hurried character we see in his all-to-brief scenes, I can see him driving both My Darling and Fearless Leader up every wall in sight in no time at all, without the slightest realisation that he *is* ... <he collects a brand-new seven fleeing from Freedom City (which got dented by a passing Andromedan fruit juicer) - Krantor and Toise, the Klute, Chenie, Jarriere, a paratrooper in a nun's habit (wrong fandom?) and one of those Sheiks of Arabeee ...> < (Privately, I am totally overcome at the subtlety in which you managed to sneak in the really key bit here...)> Well of course *he* would improve absolutely every episode, no question <g> but one was trying *not* to try everyone's patience with one's little obsessions ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Countdown
by Natasa Tucev 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

>You can keep your Jungian archetypes, I'll stick with Dawkins' memes. > >Neil Who is Dawkins, prithee? And what does 'memes' stand for? (Excuse my ignorance.) I was under impression that you were (at least part-time) a Marxist critic. (I respect this, they have very good interpretations sometimes.) You seem to have a very strong urge to reject all sorts of theories which involve the subconscious, the irrational, etc. Yet you have a recurrent dream in which you can climb up, but cannot climb down stairs, and there is a huge gap in between which gives you creeps. Have you ever thought of that? N.

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