Blakes7 January 2001

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #10 - 15 msgs
by David A McIntee 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

> > It's not- it's in the first spin-off novel, The Siege, by Peter > > David. > > > OK, mea culpa time. I _thought_ this line was in the DS9 ep "Shakaar." > However, when I saw this episode, I didn't catch anything as a B7 quote. > I also didn't get around to seeing Horizon till some years later (caught > the last five minutes the first time I saw it on TV. Taken on that alone, > it's not an episode to inspire constant viewing, so much aquamarine and > feathers). Then, somewhere down the line, I either read or was told this > was used in DS9. Since I don't remember the source, I can't vouch for > reliability. I'm not even sure if I was told it was in "Shakaar" or if I > drew that conclusion on my own. I do know I've been meaning to see the > episode ever since to check but I haven't seen it on TV (and I'm not wild > about buying the videotape just to check, though I may get to that). Um, no, it's in the Peter David book! (trust me, I have all the episodes, and I'm the one who originally brought that PD quote to people's attention by mentioning it in my review of the book in DWB...)

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Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version
by Natasa Tucev 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Sally wrote: > >Cygnus Alpha - Brian Blessed's outfit needs a couple more touches, like >non-giggle-worthy shoes. And a gag. A large one. Oh, and maybe touch on >the fact that Blake - having just gone through what is heavily implied to be >medieval style torture - could have taken more than fifteen minutes (if >that?) to recover? You're right, it's totally unconvincing. Besides, how long did it last, anyway? Didn't Jenna say, 'An hour, we'll wait an hour'? Within that hour, Blake finds the 'early maniac' building, listens to the conversation between Vargas and Kara, talks to Gan, gets a knock on the head, recovers from the said knock, has a chat with Vargas, pays a visit to the dungeons, snarls at prisoners, fights with the priests, manages to snatch a bracelet and leave the building with Gan and Vila before he contacts the Liberator. It follows that he couldn't have been tortured for more than ten minutes. My dentist takes longer than that. How badly does Vargas want that ship? My suggestion to the scriptwriter: add a scene in which Avon gets the Liberator started, and after a short argument, Jenna manages to convince him to return. Vargas notices that the ship has changed orbit, he is worried that it will leave, so he decides to give up maltreating Blake and look for a faster way to get the ship. I would also enjoy a scene in which Kara comes to warn Gan about the sacrifice, and perhaps tries to persuade him to run away with her and desert the others. It could add some complexity to his character. N.

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Re: Subject: Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version (was [B7L] editing game; is long)
by Stefaan Michiels 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Sally suggested : >Duel - as I've said before, make *Vilakins* the one picked to demonstrate >the death of a friend (his enthusiasm for the idea - and the scenes with >him >and the mutoid - would have been priceless). I would have liked the duel to continue as a spacebatlle between the federation crews and Our Heroes. With the Liberator running low on energy and possibly some damage inflicted by breaking out of the barrage, that would have created some nice stressy situations where they could all do a fair bit of shouting at eachother. Stefaan. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Lysator's New Look
by Harriet Monkhouse 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Tavia suggested: >You can always do as I do, and receive neither >message by message nor digest, and read it online >at http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/ But some of us prefer not to stay online to read that quantity of mail. Incidentally, another downside of the 20 lines of technical information is that it means further scrolling up and down within the Digest to work out what the hell the post was called in order to comply with the request to provide a specific subject line. Happily, the Listmaster said he would look into the problem shortly. Harriet

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Subject: Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version (was [B7L] editing game; is long)
by Sally Manton 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Can I play too? Anywhere at all after The Way Back ... bring back Dev Tarrant. Keep Jenna's and Vila's slightly unsettling/agressive edges, and give Gan some too. Spacefall - give poor Nova a respectable amount of mousse to drown in. And do NOT make space helmets out of battered colanders (yes, Raiker, I do mean you ...) Cygnus Alpha - Brian Blessed's outfit needs a couple more touches, like non-giggle-worthy shoes. And a gag. A large one. Oh, and maybe touch on the fact that Blake - having just gone through what is heavily implied to be medieval style torture - could have taken more than fifteen minutes (if that?) to recover? The Web - Pitch Saymon (preferably into a ditch. A large one). Expand the Cally-being-taken-over story to expound on Avon & Jenna's ideas about pitching *her*. SLD - more Bercol and Rontane, please. Duel - as I've said before, make *Vilakins* the one picked to demonstrate the death of a friend (his enthusiasm for the idea - and the scenes with him and the mutoid - would have been priceless). Breakdown - yes, I know he's fun, but make Kayn (as one of the very few people - outside the power structure - who actually see the Federation as A Good Thing) less one-sidedly odious. Would give the thing a touch more complexity. Also put a gag on David Jackson in the grunting scenes. Deliverance - have also said this before. Have Jenna being abducted by tall, chiffon-bedecked Greek God-types, and Avon having a massive, ugly, hairy barbarian throwing his-or-her animal-skin-covered self at his feet. Orac - save the goldfish (okay, okay, so I'm sentimental, so sue me). Weapon - yes, I agree. IMIPAK is silly. And get rid of the Lobster Top!!!!! (If necessary, by ripping it off him bodily ...) Explain *someone's* rather noticeable face/body/voice/character/eyepatch transplant. Horizon - Have lots more of the early "let's all be one big crabby family" scenes <g> Shoot Selma immediately. Get rid of the nosecam when Blake's being tortured. Pressure Point - speak severely to the costume director, put Avon back in the silver, Vila in the black short from Weapon and Jenna in something just as blue but less impractical. And whose idea was Servalan's costume change after capture?!?!? Trial - see SLD. Killer - deal with the fact that Our Heroes didn't catch the bug. Let Dr Bellfriar /Gambrill/Tynus/even Dr Wiler survive and join Our Heroes (lovely set of guests this one has). Hostage - hire someone else completely to play Inga, and give her some decent cold-weather clothes. Do something about the stupidity-gas in the Exbar air and let Our Heroes *shoot* the baddies rather than push polystyrene rocks on them. Explain slowly and carefully to Brian Croucher that this is not a Victorian melodrama and he is not Dick Dastardly. Countdown - less of Del Grant, more of Provine. Voice - make the storyline make sense, cut it down and show what happened afterwards. Substitute Alta Morag for Ven Glyn. Explain slowly and carefully to Brian Croucher that and he is not Boris Karloff playing The Mummy in a bathrobe. Star One - almost perfect IMO, but the garage or potting shed might have made a better battleship-yard than the kitchen. After Star One - have Zen's search-and-rescue program (aka 'let's turn me into a dumping ground for stray waifs') go a bit skewed, so instead of listening to Orac and picking up Our Heroes, he collects a brand-new seven fleeing from Freedom City (which got dented by a passing Andromedan fruit juicer) - Krantor and Toise, the Klute, Chenie, Jarriere, a paratrooper in a nun's habit (wrong fandom?) and one of those Sheiks of Arabeee ... Alternately, Powerplay - bring Fearless Leader back (yes, yes, what do you expect from moi? This is a *fantasy* edit, after all ...) Have the new President cut up for spare parts, just for fun (we could always meet the happy recipient of her brain later :-)) Dawn of the Gods - ummm ... no. Use for Rod-Rocket-and-the-Space-Nickers filler instead. The Harvest of Kairos - kill Jarvik fifty minutes earlier. Put Avon in the red trousers from DoTG so that we don't lose *those* scenes (they'd probably make just as much sense here, come to think of it). Show us what [a] Vila, [b] Tarrant and [c] Avon saw when looking at the Sopron (oh oh and what about Servalan?) Let Dayna keep Brian the Spider as a pet. Rumours of Death - hire someone else to play Anna, redo those awful misty Wromantic and totally Wrong memories of Avon's to make them more Avonish. Ultraworld - hand out pillows all round so we can also go to sleep in comfort ... or alternately, have the bodies going into the Core stripped first (as would be logical, methinks?) Given that it's Cally and Avon we're talking about, that should wake up a goodly few of the audience ... Moloch - thump Cally and Tarrant till they behave better. Have Moloch designed by your average 10-year-old Warhammer enthusiast for a *vastly* more authentic-looking alien ... and dump on Avon more at the end (not 'cause he's behaving badly, just 'cause it's fun). Death-Watch - someone speak *severely* to Zen about the clothes he/it's doling out at this stage. Keep Deeta. Terminal - get rid of the links (what earthly purpose do they serve in the story, BTW?) Rescue - explain how Dorian knew where to find them. Cover up the plagiarism a little bit better :-) DON'T have Dayna screaming and quivering in Tarrant's arms at the end!!!! Power - shoot Ben Steed. Pretend that it was all Vila's bad-wine-induced dream. Stardrive - pretend it never happened. Animals - listen to Una a bit more. Or a lot more. Or pretend that it's Our Heroes putting on a show for the Rebel Scum Ltd Galactic Coarse Acting Contest ... Assassin - explain to My Darling that slaves - especially being auctioned in a hot desert - are supposed to be dressed in chains and loincloths and ... oops, wrong list :-) Have Soolin clip Tarrant across the ear for *that* crack. Have Tarrant aim a few more cracks Avon-wards. Kill Piri just before we meet her and make Neebrox the assassin instead. Sand - if Tarrant and Servie must (despite her hand in the deaths of his brother and crewmate), they must, but do they have to act all cutesy about it? Ick. Let the sand bury the pair of them. OTOH, let's hear more of Orac's rhapsodising ... Orbit - feed Avon valium for the first half, to calm him down a bit. At least give a nod to the various ways they *could* have escaped without resorting to Vila's Ultimate Sacrifice) ... Warlord - let Tarrant/Soolin's plan for keeping Zeeona on Zenon at least make some sense, and give us some hint why Soolin's doing something so daft. Burn the pink wig. And give the warlords some acting lessons <g> Blake - some more detail about where Blake's been/what he's been doing would be nice, but so is the enigma ... no, seriously, despite its flaws, and the shudders I get every time I watch it, I don't know that I'd change it ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #10 - 15 msgs
by Ellynne G. 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:07:33 -0000 "David A McIntee" <Master(a)allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > > Um, no, it's in the Peter David book! (trust me, I have all the > episodes, > and I'm the one who originally brought that PD quote to people's > attention > by mentioning it in my review of the book in DWB...) > I may have heard it from somebody else, which may have been where the information got garbled (not that I'm not capable of garbling it on my own). Pity, it would have worked in that episode. But thanks for the information. Now, I'll have to read the book. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Lysator's New Look
by Tavia Chalcraft 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

You can always do as I do, and receive neither message by message nor digest, and read it online at http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/ Messages arrive there within seconds of being sent, you have all the convenience of the digest, you can ignore topics and posters you're not interested in, and you don't get long message headers. Tavia (who's hoping she's managed to set the right gizmos that it still allows her to post...)

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Beethoven filk
by Harriet Monkhouse 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Judith wrote: >If you don't give me permission to put that on > the web site, I shall force you to sing it as a duet >at Redemption! I know you're both coming I was rather hoping we could get a full Philharmonic choir together. Harriet

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Why Blake stayed on Albian
by Sondra Sweigman 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Since Natasa has quoted from my argument, I feel compelled to jump in and add that there's another important point to that argument. Here's the rest of my essay: "As for the risk to his own life and Vila's: Not negligible, but not as great as everyone seems to be assuming either. Only Avon and Grant would have died at the instant of detonation. The risk to the rest of the population was from lethal radiation which we were told would take several hours to overspread the planet. Since Blake and Vila were 4000 miles away from the bomb, they'd have had every chance of teleporting out safely long before the radiation reached them." In other words, Vila panicked (when didn't he?), and Blake was understandably too focused on Avon's (imminent) danger to take the time out to explain to the man that the risk to *their* lives *wasn't* imminent. Sondra

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Re: failure notice
by Natasa Tucev 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

> Helen wrote <snip> > > Vila gives up and so he never meets Blake.<>The Liberator collides with >> the London and everybody dies. The end of series. >Now realism has a place in fiction, but this is going TOO FAR <g>.> > >Cheers >Chris Hey, this is a part of MY scenario! I thought it was lost, because it never appeared in the digest. And if Helen replied to it, then I haven't got the reply, either. N.

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Blakes7 January 2001