Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] Domes
by Tavia Chalcraft 22 Feb '01

22 Feb '01

Dana: >1. How big is a dome--would it be the equivalent of, e.g., >a city block, The City of London, London, or England? I >imagine it must be fairly small--in The Way Back, you can >see the light bulb shining through the little bitty windows >cut in the styrofoam, the way you can in a building as >you walk past. Ignoring prop constraints, doesn't Avon say that he had to go across 'half the city' to get his exit visa? I'd taken this to imply that the domes were each city-sized, with at least a million or so inhabitants, plus suitable supply industries. >2. Which brings up the question of how many domes >there are, and whether separate countries are still >recognized--i.e., I've made references to Englandome >and Helveticadome but even if countries still exist there >would probably be lots of domes per country. Given that the type of war likely to have caused resort to dome living is also likely to have severely reduced the population I'd seen there being multiple but relatively few domes per country. The UK is likely to remain distinct from the rest of Europe. And doesn't someone refer to Governor Le Grande as being of the Outer Gaul region (VftP) ? >3. How do people get around within a dome? >I know that personal transportation has been banned, >but I can't believe that domes are small enough to walk >from one end to the other.I assume something like >trams or commuter trains. You've convinced me. Overground or underground rail seems the most plausible, though I rather like the idea of gondola-type transport.... which would make sense if ground area was at a premium, while the majority of the dome volume above building height was empty. Tavia http://www.viragene.com/

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Re: [B7L] Domes
by J MacQueen 22 Feb '01

22 Feb '01

>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> >5. Which brings up the question of whether >the schools have "grades" or "forms," >"high schools" or "comprehensives," "colleges" or "universities." Also on how important the authorities believed training/education to be to particular groups or individuals, and how they might've tested people for certain forms of training/education. Vila says, in Stardrive, that he was thirteen, I think (someone with more time will look this up, I'm sure, and thankyou to whoever does), when he was on a penal ship that collided with an asteroid. But he also claimed that he did something to gain his lower-grade status, suggesting that in the Federation they might have started testing children for career possibilities rather early. Depending upon how Orwellian you believe the Fed authorities to be, it could even go back into early childhood, especially if the results showed possibilities for the future, and not only career ones necessarily. One might wonder how the children who were brainwashed to provide the evidence against Blake were chosen, outside of possible reasons such as their parents owing someone a few favours, for instance. This is a bit of tangent to Dana's question, sorry, and I'll give my speculation now. My thought is that they may refer simply to primary, secondary and tertiary education, and they may well have "streams" filled according to how the individuals involved tested. If they don't just decide according to the parents' social level, and change their minds if the pupil showed some particular aptitude, of course. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak
by Mac4781＠aol.com 22 Feb '01

22 Feb '01

Well, if this hasn't broken February's record, I don't know what will. :) There were a ton of thoughtful posts on this subject this morning and some very good points were made. Forgive me, if I feel a need to add my two cent's worth. I'm sure many of you are very worn of this topic. Sally wrote: > I think this has gone past a joke. Quite simply, being called worthless > crap hurts. Sally, if Wendy had indeed called you "worthless crap" I would have been the first to come to your defense. But I honestly never saw Wendy attacking the poster. Now admittedly I may not remembering everything, and I'd appreciate it if such attacks exist if someone would repost the *quotes*. Twisting her words into personal attacks don't count. I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again because I think it is important. The Internet makes it very easy for us to do quoting. Quoting avoids misunderstandings. So rather than twist what people say, use the quotes. > Carol and Shane's approval thereof have struck a very painful > nerve. I would speak up again. Wendy has a right to post to this list. I didn't say I agreed with everything she said. I didn't say I agreed with her posting style. What I did see was a large group of people attacking one person. Yet Wendy stood up for position without taking any of those attacks personally. I admire that. I don't know that I could have withstood such a barrage. I felt it was time that someone spoke up on her behalf. I tend to do that when I see an underdog. > I've been assuming for two years that people took my 'Fearless Leader', 'My > Darling', etc, the burbles sending up the sillier aspects of the show and > splattering capitals and generally having a bit of fun with the characters > and the show as just that - fun, and had the sensitivity to discriminate > between that and my serious comments. You use those terms even when you are participating in serious discussions. So if someone questions their appropriateness to the series in a serious manner, that may be why. Any extreme posting style--as in Wendy's bluntness or your syrupy burbles--is going to be like fingernails across a blackboard to some readers. That happens. It's human nature. It doesn't mean anyone should have to change their posting style, but they should be aware of the fact that it's going to irritate a portion of the readers. If anyone on this list wants universal approval, they're on the wrong list. Wendy wrote: > But this S/M stuff has been > going on here for months and I'm tired of it. I don't > mind that some people like slash, but if I see a slash > zine I'm not forced to buy it. But every time I open > my mailbox there's at least one post on the list about > Suffering Beautifully, and I wish people would keep > that sort of thing on the other list, where it > belongs. But you are not forced to read those posts. Just as you told Marian and Sally in regard to Tarrant stories "to stop reading bad fanfic," you can delete posts that are upsetting. None of us are going to like every topic on the B7 lists. As for what belongs on the "other list," for the sake of peace those of us who enjoy certain topics do try to keep them on the other list. I don't see people initiating threads of an adult nature on this list. Sometimes lyst threads do drift in that direction, and often those threads are then quietly transferred to the other list. But to expect that posts to the lyst are never going to touch on slash is unreasonable. And I wouldn't have thought that "Beautiful Suffering" per se was a forbidden lyst topic. But then I don't regard "Beautiful Suffering" to be sexual. Which is what Betty said, and you answered: Wendy wrote: > But this S/M stuff has been > going on here for months and I'm tired of it. I don't > mind that some people like slash, but if I see a slash > zine I'm not forced to buy it. But every time I open > my mailbox there's at least one post on the list about > Suffering Beautifully, and I wish people would keep > that sort of thing on the other list, where it > belongs. But you are not forced to read those posts. Just as you told Marian and Sally in regard to Tarrant stories "to stop reading bad fanfic," you can delete posts that are upsetting. As for what belongs on the "other list," for the sake of peace those of us who enjoy certain topics do try to keep them on the other list. I don't see people initiating threads of an adult nature on this list. Sometimes lyst threads do drift in that direction, and often those threads are then quietly transferred to the other list. But to expect that posts to the lyst are never going to touch on slash is unreasonable. And I wouldn't have thought that "Beautiful Suffering" per se was a forbidden lyst topic. But then I don't regard "Beautiful Suffering" to be sexual. Which is what Betty said, and you answered: > My understanding of the concept of "Suffering > Beautifully" was that a character is physically or > emotionally hurt, and that this pain makes him more > attractive in the eyes of the reader and/or writer. > Which seems to me have a sadistic twist to it, even if > there's not actual S/M sex. But should sadism be a forbidden topic on the list? And if it is, what other topics that might offend a fan here or a fan there should be forbidden? That's a serious question. I don't like to offend list members, but too much censorship might water the list down to mush. Back to h/c, and unfortunately I only have a few more minutes so I can't get into this as thoroughly as the subject deserves. It's not the pain makes h/c stories interesting. It's as Betty said, the character's reaction to the pain that makes it interesting. But I will confess that some characters suffer beautifully. I've only seen a couple of Voyager eps, one of which was "The Chute," and I thought Paris and Kim looked a lot cuter scruffy and beaten than they did cleaned up. It's not that I like suffering, and I don't think I'm a sadist. They just looked cuter, the hair hanging in their faces, etc. It was a visual thing. I will admit that I've also enjoyed some S/M B7 stories. And was shocked to find I enjoyed them. But I don't enjoy S/M in real life. No more than I enjoy war and killing in real life. Sorry, I really am out of time. So I'm sending this off unproofed and hoping I made sense and didn't offend anyone. Carol Mc

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Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by Caveatemptor1＠aol.com 22 Feb '01

22 Feb '01

>From: Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> >Penny Dreadful wrote: > > I think those who believe in the Lord Avon should swear on "A:ATA", >I think I'd prefer to swear *at* A:TA... :) But if you swear *on* "A:ATA", that would be evidence of true devotion to the Lord Avon. Courtney

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Re: Excalibur, Blake's 7 (but no Zulus)
by J MacQueen 22 Feb '01

22 Feb '01

>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> >I only watched Excalibur once, and it was when I was twelve. I only >remember the parts I disliked; I'm sure it has charms I didn't >appreciate. I still have problems with Sand, having first seen it at the same age and with the same reaction as Helen to Excalibur. The twelve-year-old me who thought vampire sand was stupid keeps rearing its less than aesthetically pleasing head whenever I try to suspend disbelief. Strangely, there would've been things even less believable in Doctor Who episodes being shown around the same time, yet I seem to have accepted them within their stories without fuss or much in the way of thought. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by J MacQueen 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

>From: Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> >Penny Dreadful wrote: > > I think those who believe in the Lord Avon should swear on "A:ATA", >I think I'd prefer to swear *at* A:TA... :) Did I not utter something about it not being generally recommended? Despite Una's evangelism in the cult of Og, I think there'd be some who be prepared to swear at Animals as well. Regards Joanne (who doesn't have a copy of either of Penny's suggestions just now) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] More penguins
by J MacQueen 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >You're complaining about a colleague with a B7 calendar? Don't start me wondering which one is Orac, for goodness sake! Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Vila and the rebels
by Marian de Haan 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Jacqui asked: >Could Vila have originally supplied the equipment to divert the monitoring computer's attention so that Blake & the others could get out? And then he ends up in the same holding cell as Blake...< Judging by his behaviour in the series Vila seems more like someone who'd do the job himself than a supplyer of equipment. But it's possible of course, and could make a nice piece of fanfiction. Marian

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More penguins
by J MacQueen 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Somebody call them off! This time, it's a calendar over a colleague's desk, showing eight of the darn things. Una, Neil, speak severely to the powers that be, will you? Regards Joanne (looking over her shoulder suspiciously) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Ashton7＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/21/01 3:20:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << > Well, I wasn't going to say anything... but what he said. I take exception to > the statement that the British have more "reserve, dignity and respect" than > Americans. Er ... actually, Helen said that, not me. >> I know. Read what I said. I was *agreeing with you*. ("What he said.") Annie

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