Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] Torture
by Ellynne G. 04 Feb '01

04 Feb '01

On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:32:24 -0500 "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> writes: > Offhand, the only person less likely as a comforter > would be Servalan. Now, there's a scary idea. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by M 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

OK heres an interpretation I put on Deliverance, its not fact, I never said it was fact and I wish this understood from the beginning. OK - look at Meegat and then at Anna, I see it as Avon a man who is hurt that his lover is dead sees a woman who looks like his beloved and therefore is unusually sensitive and caring. This is why he holds hands etc... Yes I know the rumours of death wasnt even thought of at this point, that they are separate, and that the resemblance is probably co-incidental....however this is fiction. I want to see, therefore I see. Therefore a whole new interpretaion is seen. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] Re: Time loops
by M 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:21:29 -0000, Alison Page wrote: > Hey - is this <thread quoted below> the 'displacement activity' I've read > about in books? > > I think the funniest joke in Groundhog Day is where the insurance salesman > comes up to the weatherman - who has by now experienced the same day about > ten thousand times - and the guy just turns, without speaking and punches > him in the face. <Thinks: 'perhaps I should start disguising my obsession > with people hitting each other'> > > I was trying to think of a B7 event which would work in exactly the same > way, but I failed. Can anyone think of one? Canonical person comes up to > Avon, says innocuous canonical dialogue, and Avon just turns and pops them > one. How about that 'old friend'of Avon's in Gold - hi Avon want to steal some gold, Avon hits him, walks off. Can be heard muttering about Servalan and interest rates going down???!!! M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: Re [B7L] Deliverance - keg marxist take
by M 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 06:48:45 -0000, Neil Faulkner wrote: > Well, since Natasa has cited me as a part-time Marxist critic, I suppose I > ought to rise to the challenge... > > * > The only thing missing from Deliverance is the pith helmets, because this > episode is little more than a sad pastiche of Rider Haggard with pretensions > to being science fiction. Our stalwart bunch of middle-class Home Counties > adventurers find themselves ditched on a planet consigned to quaint notions > of barbarism through the magically convenient means of 'a war' at some > unspecified point in the past. Almost from the start we're told that > whatever society there was has undergone a 'reversion to primitive', and it > isn't long before we're comfortably assured that primitive means dangerous. > The planet itself is dangerous, what with all that radioactivity. > > Despite which, there are some local primitives still knocking around. First > off, we have a bunch of men (plural), who are aggressive, inarticulate, and > unaccountably hostile. What better excuse could you need for shooting them > with impunity? Well, just in case, the script has one to offer - they like > to steal our women. We don't see Jenna get abducted, but surely she > wouldn't have gone off with them of her own accord? Heaven forbid! They > don't actually do anything with her beyond sticking her in a tent, thus > sparing all and sundry the anguish of singing Here Comes The Night. > > As well as the men, we also have a Woman (singular), who is young, passive, > demure, extremely well spoken and has somehow managed to keep all her teeth > white. She instantly throws herself at the feet of our sturdy white giants > and hails them as the saviours of her people, singling out Avon as 'Lord'. > Vila and Gan presumably come from Another Place. > > From this we can deduce that the representation of the sexes on Cephlon is > indeed of a very primitive kind, unsullied by any problematic complications > like cultural awareness, ideological consciousness or a sense of > historicity. > > Meegat has a minor problem that needs sorting out, and since it permits Avon > and his chums a chance to flaunt their technological knowhow (they come from > civilisation, after all) this must obviously take precedence over other > matter (like, say, rescuing Jenna). Fortunately it doesn't take too long, > because decent chaps like these are hardly going to be flummoxed by a stack > of antique hardware. The fact that it's hardware of any kind is way beyond > Meegat's comprehension, because she's primitive, and primitive people have > no concept for such things. Nor do they feel any compulsion to try and > understand what's going on, even if it's intimately tied up with their > entire purpose in life. > > And then it's off to rescue Jenna, or at least see if there's anything left > of her (they could be cannibals, you know). > > Meanwhile, Blake and Cally are up against a genuinely serious adversary. > This is Ensor, who is of a bit of a decent chap himself, just a bit > misguided. But he's technologically savvy (insisting that the course to > Aristo is confirmed by the ship's computer, putting the energiser on his gun > to automatic) and hence a genuine threat. Cephlon's brutish thugs might go > down with a single whack of a big stick (and they don't stand up too well to > fisticuffs either), but Blake and Cally are essentially helpless against one > of their own kind. Only the toll of his injuries saves them. > > What we have here, then, is a pernicious piece of colonialist nostalgia, > wistfully dreaming of the good old days when the sun never set on the > Empire. It is glib propaganda for armchair adventurers who need to be > reassured that civilisation amounts to supremacy and that technological > sophistication is the only kind worth a damn. Ultimately, it endorses a > self-granted mandate to invade the lives of so-called inferior peoples, > prove one's superiority and promptly walk out again without care or > consideration for the consequences. > > If you enjoyed this episode, may I also recommend Triumph of the Will and > Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom. They should be right up your street. > > * > > Whew. Didn't know I still had it in me... > > Neil > Please no-one upset Neil again, I've had enough of this with my dissertation. Flippant, offhand comments please, hopefully I'll actually read all the posts - eventually. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Time Loop
by Dana Shilling 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

THE ACTOR'S NIGHTMARE "Who am I this time?" Servalan asked, as Jarriere brought in the silver tray containing her plunge-pot of espresso and soft-boiled egg. "Errr...Krantor, ma'am," Jarriere said. "And, woman, I am Jarvik!" he said, launching himself at her. "You are beautiful!" **************** Just my luck it WOULD be Tufty, Jenna thought. Well, it's not so bad. At least I know how to pilot this crate. "I'm sure that vulpine degenerate would enjoy that, but you can forget it," Servalan/Krantor told Jarriere/Jarvik. ************ Vila picked up the eyepatch in his left hand, remembered, put it down, and put it on with his right. "I'll get you, Blake," he bellowed, running down the corridor to the flight deck. "Whoever's being me doesn't have to be on the ship, you know," Blake squeaked with a Piri-esque simper. "It could be any bit player on any one of thousands of worlds..." -(Y)

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Harriet Monkhouse 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >(1) Meegat doesn't really misuse Avon. How do you know what her intentions are? The only thing we know about her is that she has the ability to keep a straight face in the most preposterous situations. Jacqueline said: >Asimov told the student that he hadn't consciously > put any of that symbolism in there. I've always suspected this about Shakespeare. Harriet

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #29 - 9 msgs
by chris.gaiger 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Please do not send me any more messages. I have tired to cancel this service too numerous times to mention!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <blakes7-request(a)lysator.liu.se> To: <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #29 - 9 msgs > Send Blakes7 mailing list submissions to > blakes7(a)lysator.liu.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.lysator.liu.se/mailman/listinfo/blakes7 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blakes7-request(a)lysator.liu.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blakes7-admin(a)lysator.liu.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Blakes7 digest..." > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Deliverance (Betty Ragan) > 2. Re: Groundhog Day (Julia Jones) > 3. Re: Re: If You weren't the Only Avon in the World (was Deliverance) (Sally Manton) > 4. Re: Deliverance (Neil Faulkner) > 5. Re: Re: Deliverance (Jacqueline Thijsen) > 6. Re: Re: Time loops (Una McCormack) > 7. Dream (Natasa Tucev) > 8. Re: Re: Time loops (Alison Page) > 9. Re: Re: Deliverance (Neil Faulkner) >

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Re: [B7L] Why not Captain Tarrant
by Marian de Haan 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Sally wrote: >Marian wrote: >>To me this indicates that he'd prefer to leave the command of Liberator to Tarrant or any other of the crew, and is only taking up the task - against his will - when none of them proves up to the job.<< ><grin> the fact that under Ye Democratic System he seems to have lost the vote more often than not couldn't have anything to do with his decision, oh no no no .....< No <grin>. But when sufficiently motivated to commandeer the ship, Avon can be every bit as determined, callous and disregarding of his crew's wishes as Blake :-). Marian

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Marian de Haan 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >Because some people confine their focus of attention to the regular characters (or just a selection of them, maybe even just one) and define the significance of any action or interaction with reference to those characters and *nothing else*.< You mean there are other ways of watching the show? :-) Marian (still not *quite* convinced that the penguins are canonical :-)) (Anyone not knowing what I'm talking about should check out http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm )

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Re: [B7L] Warlord
by Marian de Haan 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

M. wrote: >Just watched Warlord again, does anyone else think Tarrant acts more like a teenager with Avon the guardian/ adult figure, at the end. <snip> It's just he's supposed to be a hardened space 'privateer', rebel, going around the galaxy. He's supposed to have a hardened an edge, understand the realities. Yet he seems a little niave and it's not just this episode. Maybe some-one can help me out with the episodes, but apart from Avon becoming boss-man, he also seeems to become the paternal figure with Vila the friendly uncle!!??< I've mentioned before, I think, how to my mind the S3 crew resemble a family, with Avon as the reluctant father, Cally as the tired, disillusioned mother, Vila as the tolerated uncle and Tarrant an Dayna as the highspirited, reckless children. (Although both Tarrant and Dayna are supposed to be older, to me their behaviour often seems like that of teeangers.) Your observation has made me aware how this comparison can be extended to S4, with the mother gone and the father having brought in a new, much younger wife. Initially the children and new wife tread warily around each other (Soolin doesn't get much to do in the first few S4 episodes). Gradually they develop a workable relationship but the new wife always remains a bit of an outsider. Marian

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