Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: If You weren't the Only Avon in the World (was Deliverance)
by Frances Bishop 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Sally wrote : >How about the fun we'd have if we substituted Piri for someone (Cally?) What fun was that then? Cheers Frances

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Tavia Chalcraft 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

One could posit that Nation was sending up the sexist viewpoint by his blatantly ridiculously sexist script. I thought that the only reason they made Avon into the God figure in Deliverance was so that Blake could take the major role in Orac without having radiation sickness? No cunning here I fear. Still it's a much stronger episode as a result. Tavia

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Deliverance
by Sally Manton 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Kathryn wrote: >"The rocket represents a phallus." >"Does not!" >"Does too!" >"Does not!" etc (yawn) ... Okay, okay ... then how about the phallic significance of his Big Gun in 'Blake'? <veg> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Torture
by Cheryl _ 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

> Then I realized the common denominator of all three > victims; they're all > intellectuals, geeks. Not that Blake isn't a > philosopher, but you've > got to admit that Avon is more geeky than Blake. > And with the others > the difference is even more obvious. > > So why is it that the H/C writers have it in for > geeks? LOL Hello Kathryn, I'm new here but I have to say that I am very much enjoying the content of this list and I had to respond to your post even though I don't know the answer to your question - it's just that I've never heard of Avon being referred to as a geek before. I love it! I hope I don't come across as too Avon orientated in conversations on this list because I do like all the characters (some less than others) but Avon is my absolute outright favourite - Avon the geek - ROTFL I have a somewhat weak possible answer to your question Maybe it's because these characters(and I have to confess to not watching these other shows you mentioned so I am assuming the other characters are intelligent men of the ilk of Avon) are always in control of situations that call for clear thought, that the writers find them perfect candidates for situations where their intellect not only can't help them but actually suffers along with the physical because they find themselves in this situation - Again I have not read any hurt/comfort stories - so this is strictly a guess. Cheryl. _____________________________________________________________________________ http://entertainment.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Entertainment - Feeling a little bored? Need some entertainment?

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Re: [B7L] Why not Captain Tarrant (was Deliverance)
by Marian de Haan 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Wendy wrote re Avon wanting the Liberator: >I can hear you saying right now, "Oh, that doesn't mean he wants >to be a leader, just that he wants the ship." OK, so how does he expect to run a big ship like that all on his lonesome< In Horizon it is stated that he can handle the ship with the help of the computers, provided he keeps out of the way of Federation craft. >(and Vila in Star One makes it clear that the crew are part of the bargain struck), and why, when Blake is finally gone, doesn't he just let Captain Tarrant take charge and either go off to do his own thing or stuck around and baited him from the sidelines?< That's exactly what he did after they stopped searching for Blake in Volcano. At the start of Dawn of the Gods Tarrant is at Liberator's helm while Avon is playing galactic monopoly with the rest of the crew. He steps in when it's clear that Tarrant is at a loss about the mysterious course changes, but looks rather annoyed for having to abandon the game. :-) In Harvest of Kairos Avon leaves command of Liberator entirely to Tarrant, even to the point of not interfering during the space battle. IMHO he was testing Tarrant there, and it isn't his fault that Tarrant failed the test. In City Avon has left the negotiations to acquire those crystals to Tarrant, which to me looks like another test. But again, Tarrant doesn't deliver, landing them with no Vila and no crystals. IMO Avon may be excused for deciding that Tarrant isn't up to the task. Even after this Avon remains reluctant to take up the leadership role, leaving as much of the decision making and initiatives as he can to the others. To me this indicates that he'd prefer to leave the command of Liberator to Tarrant or any other of the crew, and is only taking up the task - against his will - when none of them proves up to the job. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Tavia Chalcraft 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >Because some people confine their focus of attention >to the regular characters (or just a selection of them, >maybe even just one) and define the significance of >any action or interaction with reference to those >characters and *nothing else*. >They know who they are. Whilst probably being on your 'we know how we are list' I'm not convinced anyone *only* pays attention to one or more regular character(s) in selecting their B7 viewing. I might be an Avon junkie with a penchant for B/A, but there are several episodes that I find intensely hard to watch, which happen to include Deliverance, The Web &c ..... Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Okay, my last word on the subject. And I'm *not* trying to be offensive, forgive me if I am, I'm just trying to put it plainly. (Anyone who wants to skip this, go ahead - it ain't my usual brand of burbling). Wendy wrote: <Fair enough, but I'm kind of confused about what I'm being accused of here. First I'm accused of attacking Avon for saying hes' less than nice, then I'm accused of attacking the plot (grumble grumble).> No, what *I* (and I can only speak for myself) saw was that you were insisting that my interpretation was invalid - and ideologically suspect!! - because it wasn't in accordance with what you'd decided the facts of the episode were. You seemed to be saying - repeatedly - that your version is *the facts* (and I quote: "the story stands: A woman needs a man to fire off her rocket and fertilise her race. A man comes along, fulfils this need, then smegs off, leaving her on a radiation-soaked planet without even asking if she, or anyone else she knows for that matter, wants his number." This is *not* canon, this is your embellished version of the story. You have a perfect right to your version, but you don't have to insist that if others don't agree to it it's purely because they've "imagined in their own minds to fill the plot holes for themselves to make them feel better, and/or to whitewash Avon." (Which is distinctly patronising, BTW). There's no need for some insidious Meegating to explain why I said I liked to believe that that Gan, Jenna and Cally - none of whom are bastards - or Blake - who unquestionably is, but not in that way - would also not have chosen to dump Meegat to die whether she wanted to or not (it's Blake's ship, and Gan is always ready to argue for what he thinks should be done), and that it's entirely possible that she did not wish to leave her home for god-only-knows-what. That's my interpretation, which is entirely consistent both with the facts of the episode as I see them, and *with the characters* - all of the characters - as I understand them, which I have always maintained is equally important *to me*. <it's very surprising that, if they did do it, there wasn't some mention or other indication that they had done so.> So how does that invalidate the assumption that they were asked, and didn't want to go? Why *can't* I assume that if I want to, and if it makes way more sense to me than your version? <But the point is, the end is still loose.> Agreed. You appeared to be arguing that it *wasn't* loose, it was firmly tied, and only one version of the unseen facts was acceptable. If that wasn't what you meant, I apologise, but that was how it appeared to me. If we both agree that that is not true - that each of our versions is valid to ourselves, *without* imputing dubious personal reasons why the other doesn't see the subtext our way, then there's no problem ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by M 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 01:27:51 -0800 (PST), Penberriss Wendy S. wrote: > > --- Sally Manton <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Kathryn wrote: > > >"The rocket represents a phallus." > > >"Does not!" > > >"Does too!" > > >"Does not!" etc (yawn) ... > > > > Okay, okay ... then how about the phallic > > significance of his Big Gun in > > 'Blake'? <veg> > > Well, he shoots a woman with it <BIG GRIN>... > > Wendy > Yes but he shoots Blake two or three times (sorry!!) M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Why not Captain Tarrant
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Marian wrote: <To me this indicates that he'd prefer to leave the command of Liberator to Tarrant or any other of the crew, and is only taking up the task - against his will - when none of them proves up to the job.> <grin> the fact that under Ye Democratic System he seems to have lost the vote more often than not couldn't have anything to do with his decision, oh no no no ..... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Time loop?
by M 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:48:41 -0700, Ellynne G. wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:22:29 +1100 Andrew Williams > <AWilliams(a)daikin.com.au> writes: > > > > Does anyone know if there is any B7 fanfic along the lines of > > "Groundhog > > Day", i.e. the same day repeating over and over? > > > I can't write this story. I REFUSE to write this story - > > But the idea of Avon living Blake over and over until he gets it right is > frighteningly tempting. Especially if there's heavy borrowing from the > Xena ep that did Groundhog's Day. > > First, Avon would find the day repeating and would think it was to give > him a chance to save Blake [who still keeps getting killed (after one, > very bad day, Avon slaughters Blake and everyone else just so he can go > back to sleep and start over)]. Finally, he gets Blake out of it alive. > The day still repeats. He tracks down every single problem in the area, > learns the complete bios of everyone there, fixes every, single, stinking > problem. The day STILL repeats!!!! > > Finally, he finds out it will keep repeating until some side issue no one > even noticed is resolved. Since I rather doubt Cupid granted a > Romeo-type's wish to save his Juliet-type from her 24 hr poison in B7, > I'm not sure what it is, but I'm sure there would be a repeat of the > conversation Xena had with R-T. > > Avon: So, the day keeps repeating until some heroic idiot shows up and > fixes it? > > R-T: Right. > > Avon [after long hesitation, just hating himself for the admission > implicit in the question]: So why didn't you tell me when I first showed > up? > > R-T: Uh, no offense, but I was expecting a _hero_. You know, like the > Doctor, or Captain Kirk, or at least, maybe the famous thief, Vila > Restal. > > Ellynne Yes, yes please write and then post here!!!!! M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Blakes7 February 2001