Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: <Can we just substitute the Precious one for the Snarly one, all the way through the series? Oh, what a lark!> <gurgle> am now imagining him 1. hugging Blake on the flight deck (Duel) 2. in those thigh length boots (Shadow ... no sorry, much as I love him, it *ain't* the same) 3. *with Vila* at Freedom City (oh glee oh joy oh my goodness ...) 4. trying to get through the 'wade in blood' speech without getting tangled up in the middle (Star One) 5. snogging Servalan (Aftermath) 6. being all cool and clever and unyielding in Sarcophagus (this takes a *lot* of imagination) 7. in all that 4th season black leather and studs <chortle> 8. getting all tied by by Cancer (Assassin) 9. and I have *no idea* how Orbit would end ... yes I have. Vilakins would get the gun first and throw Jarriere out :-) OTOH, if he survived to 'Blake', it would definitely enhance Fearless Leader's chances of survival, because I can see Jarriere getting too befuddled to shoot in that last scene. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Warlord
by M 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Reply to Warlord post by me> >Nayte. > > Oh dear, I only meant it as an offhand comment, must be careful what I postulate in future. However for what its worth I don't think the rocket is phallic shaped. Also look at the way Meegat looks through her bunker, or at least the camera angle, before she helps anyone. I think maybe she's playing dumb. You know smooze up to 'Lord Avon', he fires rocket. OK, what was I saying about not thinking its phallic shaped, oh dear, I think I'm postulating again (terrible habit). M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] Re: Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Narriet wrote: <"Deliverance" by Harriet Monkhouse ...> Yaaaaayyy!!!! (Immediately ditches serious discussion for far more interesting and importance stuff). Harriet, I love you. Aren't the quality of the scripts taking a serious upswing at the minute? Now who wants to re-write Stardrive for us? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Re: [B7L] Not Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Neil wrote: <Because some people confine their focus of attention to the regular characters (or just a selection of them, maybe even just one) and define the significance of any action or interaction with reference to those characters and *nothing else*. <They know who they are.> Yup. And we thoroughly enjoy doing it .... :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Marian de Haan 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: >Well, I can't convince you :-). All I can do is restate that, if you have a phallic object being activated to perpetuate the race, then a careful writer would be thinking about the implications (although your point that the script was rushed is fair enough).< But what if the writer didn't know about a rocket being taken for a phallic symbol? We're not all into this Freud stuff, you know. :-) It never crossed *my* mind that the use of a rocket in a SF series could be taken that way and I think there's a fair chance the idea didn't cross Terry Nation's mind either. >But what I'd like to know then, is why a story with a rushed script, a cliched story and a number of gaping plot holes, keeps making people's top ten lists?< Because some people can enjoy it as a bit of innocent fun without feeling the need to go digging for questionable symbols and metaphors. And yes, Deliverence is in my top ten. :-) Marian (still enjoying the debate)

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Re: [B7L] Groundhog Day
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Pred wrote: <I rather like the idea, but I fear we will end up with nineteen rewrites of _Blake_ (including the obligatory 'gotcha!' one from Bryn where Avon makes an effort and doesn't kill Blake on Gauda Prime sixteen times but Blake gets killed off in the last line anyway) and one attempt at romantic comedy which is equally made up of witty dialogue and sheer filth.> And one from Una and Steve where they re-live Animals over and over and over until *everyone* finds ten good things to say about it ... (PS - Una - did I get my Animals webpage, BTW?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] filk
by Angria＠t-online.de 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: > Thank you for the filk, Tanja, it's just wonderful. > <blushes> Thank you. But then, most gratitude (or blame) is due to Judith who wrote the original. You know, I never filked something before... Tanja

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Marian de Haan 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: >Anyway, even if it is hers, it obviously takes a man to push the right buttons.< No, it takes a *technician* to launch the rocket. With 50 % chance of the first technician to drop by being a man, I see no prejudice here. >If we've already agreed that the rocket is a metaphor, than the children thing can be a metaphor too, can't it?< Sorry, but I honestly can't see any evidence that the rocket was meant as a metaphor. [To me most Freudian metaphors seem bollocks anyway. :-)] It seems to me you want to read much more in the story than the writer put into it. That is not uncommon. [It happened to me. :-) I was rather taken aback by the deep thoughts and symbolisms that some readers found in my two published Medieval murder mysteries . They'd been written as simple entertainment but that didn't stop some people reading all kind of things in them that were definitely not in my mind when I wrote them. It's flattering, but also a bit scary.] > Just as he doesn't *actually* have sex with her, he perpetuates her race in some other way, so he doesn't have to *actually* get her pregnant for the equation of male action --> female perpetuation of species to read.< Sorry, this goes right over my head. >She waits, virginal, dressed in diaphanous robes, for this bloke to come along and fulfil her. What part of this *isn't* a sexual metaphor?< You mean a writer can't do a story about a man helping a woman in need without the risk of being accused of sexism? You scare me. >why *is* it that people miss out on this subliminal message?< Perhaps because for some people it simply isn't there? :-) You clearly feel very strong about it and I respect your opinion. I just can't share it. >Avon's my favourite character, but not because I think he's a nice guy. I think he's a bastard, but he's a very *interesting* bastard.< For me one of his attractions is that, time and again, he so gloriously fails to live up to his own self-image of ruthless bastard. Of which Deliverance is an amusing example IMHO. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Re:Servalan is insane?
by Ellynne G. 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:57:56 -0500 "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> writes: > Helen said: > > > Okay, the Deliverance thread has expanded to misogynism in the > series as > > a whole and the accusation has been thrown that Servalan is > insane. She has some sociopathic tendencies. A sociopath essentially understands right and wrong, it just doesn't matter. However, there's debate (so I understand) about whether they're insane. True sociopaths have been known to act in ways where the profit-loss just doesn't add up (the sociopath who stole the credit cards of his pro bono defense attornies while they were defending him) that suggests a lack of ability to make essential judgements. Anyhow, Servalan's not that far gone. She may have hubris, ego, and overconfidence, but you can follow the math behind her calculations. > This also ties in with the "Was Avon a crimo" question (to which I'd > say the answer has to be "No"--a crimo is a "criminally insane" > person, > the polar case perhaps being Hannibal Lecter. Stealing a lot of > money > doesn't rank as admirable behavior, but it's eminently sane. True enough. However, about the question raised earlier about why crimos weren't made into mutoids, a crimo's advantage over a mutoid is intellect - and genius seems to be one of their two common characteristics (gender, too, but let's not get into that. Having worked with Servalan, maybe Travis felt more secure around male killers). However, it seems likely they've been conditioned in some way or Travis wouldn't be able to make use of them. > > Beer goggles, more like--I'd say that because she finds Avon > attractive, > she overestimates the degree of similarity between them. Eep. I know I've heard this before but never quite phrased that way. Servalan thought Avon was a borderline sociopath with murderous impulses. And she _liked_ him for it. Can I change my vote on the insanity issue? Not that > any > of us would do anything like that. Well, not unless we were _right_. Although I think I have more in common Snow White. (Episode Blake if it had been done by Disney Blake [singing]: I'm wishing Wishing Well Echo: I'm wishing Blake: For the one I loath To find me WWE: To find me Blake: Today WWE: Today Blake: I'm thinking WWE: I'm thinking Blake: When he comes my way Of the snide things WWE: The Snide things Blake: He'll say Avon: Want an apple, dearie?) Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Deliverance
by Harriet Monkhouse 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

As Sally said, the presence of a certain person would improve most episodes. So may I humbly suggest: "Deliverance" by Harriet Monkhouse [Sound of hairy barbarians yelling and banging rocks. Meegat opens door, and small wiry man with big nose staggers in.] JARRIERE: Ah, er, thank you miss, that was a bit close... MEEGAT: My Lord! Have you come to propagate my race by shooting a phallic symbol into the sky? JARRIERE: Er, I'm not following you... MEEGAT: Can you launch our brood rocket? JARRIERE: Oh, ah, I see, well, rocket science isn't really my thing, but I have a kid sister who's very bright, I'll just call her and see if she can give you any advice... Harriet

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