Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: [B7L] "That" issue
by Ashton7＠aol.com 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

In a message dated Wed, 28 Mar 2001 2:22:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> writes: << Well, not meaning to offend, but I am genuinely puzzled - do you not find there to be a difference between saying an _action_ is wrong, and saying a _person_ or group of people is sick? Because every time this sort of issue comes up, it just floors me.>>>> No, I do not see any difference because homosexuals *are* a group of people. A group that I happen to belong to. In fact, when you insult homosexuals you are insulting someone's very being. The way they live. The person they chose to live with and love. The way they think. It's a whole heck of a lot more than just a religion you've just insulted (because, of course, homosexuals come in all kinds of religions, too). And do you not see that calling someone's "morals" into question because of who they choose to love and spend their life with is the *same thing* as calling them sick or depraved or perverse (all words that have been used hereabouts, I believe)? I've tried to make my point with a bit of a sledgehammer and for that I apologize. To be fair, I did not pinpoint Christians. I pointed at *any* religion that equates massacres as being on the same par sin-wise with sexual behavior as "sick." I'm sorry if folks here disagree with that but I do believe it to be true just as deeply as some of you guys believe in whatever religion you happen to practice. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: Interpretation (fading into Canon, again)
by Tavia 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Neil: >No other episode violates the ambient ethos of B7 even half >as much as this one. It is not B7 at all, it is the work of a hack >writer with skiffy pretensions parasitising the series to get his >name on television. I have no qualms whatsoever about excising >it from my altercanon. I wouldn't do it with any other episode. I'm surprised. There are episodes that I hate (and I've just unearthed my list of 10 worst episodes, and yes, DotG comes in at #3), but there's no way I'd consider any of them noncanonical. Just bad. >And all the black hole stuff which seems to belittle more than Follett >showing us what a marvellous science fiction writer he is because >he can regurgitate stuff that ninety per cent of schoolboys know anyway. Yeah, that was my unfavourite bit too. But surely schoolchildren? >Awww! I had to suffer 16 episodes without mine. I could have been talking about Gan... Tavia

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DotG (was Re: [B7L] Re: canon)
by Fiona Moore 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> >As to DotG, I'm never bothered by the dubious history of the Auronar in that >episode because it's presented as legend, not as truth. Something like our >legend of king Arthur, a nice tale but not to be taken seriously. I'm not too sure about the claim that DotG doesn't fit with Children of Auron too well myself, to be honest. There's no flat contradiction like there is between CoA and "Time Squad" and "Bounty," after all, and even if there is truth to the legend, it did happen a *very* long time ago in Auron history-- a million years plus is a long time in which a civilisation can make a lot of changes. I do like two things about it though: the Jacobean casualness with which Avon and Tarrant randomly shoot the two guards when they discover their sidearms are suddenly working, and Avon's line in the last scene of the episode: "I suspect we have made another enemy. A pity." Mind you, IMHO the name "The Book of Auron" is naff as heck... Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Worth keeping an eye on at http://nyder.r67.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [B7L] Lost in France ...
by J MacQueen 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >She's still around. Hurrah! And so say all of us... >Well, half of me says "Hurrah!" >The other half of me starts chewing the wallpaper... Do be careful - there could be extract of turkey in there... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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actors and artwork
by Shane Little 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Steve writes: > >Shane said: "since the B7 actors apparently do not feel OK with artwork" > > >To my knowledge only Paul Darrow and Gareth Thomas have said this. Which is interesting, because they continue to be featured in such artwork-- it's not a case of simply depicting only the actors who have not spoken out publicly against it. The fact is, the wishes of these two actors are still not being respected. > >If you know of other B7 actors that have made similar declarations, I would be interested toknow. As Avon and Blake are apparently the characters featuring most often in slash stories and slash art, that may be the reason why we have heard from these two particular actors. That and the fact that Judith Proctor knows Gareth very well and has had the courage to ask him for his opinion. I have been told that Janet Darrow also finds it very offensive; as for the other actors, I do not personally know what their opinions are one way or another. There are however, a number of reasons why they may not have expressed their feelings. 1/ They don't know about it. 2/ No one has asked them for their opinion. 3/ They don't want to get involved in a fan war, in view of what happened ten years back. 4/ They think it's great to be depicted in pornographic poses with their fellow actors. Some of these reasons are of course more plausible than others. I do wonder, myself, if nobody _has_ asked their opinion, what the reason for this might be.... Shane "Well, there's nothing wrong with that." -- Vila Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re: [B7L] Re: something green
by Tavia 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

Jacqui asked: >What is the green liquid the characters in B7 drink ? Water coloured with green food colouring for that essential science fiction feel? (Is absinthe green? I fear my closest encounter with the drink is the eponymous Degas painting...) Tavia

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Re: [B7L] leaving the lyst
by J MacQueen 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>From: "emma" <emmapeel(a)calvino.freeserve.co.uk> >I've been wondering whether or not to post this for a couple of days now. >It's to say I'm leaving lyst. Ok, I'm not the most prolific poster, and I'm >sure you'll survive without me. But it seems to be a time for expressing >feelings, so.... Damn. I'd have reacted to similar postings before, but I've been trying to follow Una's advice and thinking before posting, knowing that I can only be angry about the current situation and not likely to compose a calm response. It was very good advice, Una, but I've had enough of deleting threads wholesale and missing out on what might be a good insight into a subject just because the writer is responding to someone with an entire hive of bees in his/her bonnet. There have been rather too many metaphorical axes being ground for my liking of late, particularly as the standard safety valve of taking such disagreements to e-mail seems to have been bypassed by the axegrinders. To many of us, the rights and wrongs of slash is not the only topic of conversation. I salute those who are able to look at it without flying off the handle. To the others, who must've been vaccinated with broken gramophone needles, I say there are a number of people who don't find the topic endlessly fascinating as a discussion subject and would very much like a break from it. Please, do everyone, including yourselves, a favour. Regards Joanne (in an evil mood because she doesn't think Kathryn, emma, etc. going away and Shane staying is much of a bargain) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] free lunches
by Tavia 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

I thought free lunch theory was attributed to Milton Friedman (and I was therefore somewhat staggered at Neil quoting him). But what do I know. Tavia

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Lost in France ...
by Sally Manton 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

... where they have strange keyboards, so pleqsz excuse the tuppyng :) However, they also have a free internet cafe - at least, they wont take my money - so Ive been checking out the archives, and I find youre all still talking about the same stuff !?!? (tho I dont recall the turkey thread). a few thoughts ... Canon - no. There _really_ isnt such a thing, its a figment on each person's imagination. We all do genuinely _see_ different things on the screen, I'm convinced of it (How many times have you thought "which show was _that_ person watching? I know I have, and I'd be surprised if anyone at all hasnt thought it about me.) With apologies to H D "when I use canon, it is exactly what I see, no more and no less." And I like it that way ... its much more fun to have ,y own input into the show. OTOH, were I to accept the possibility that canon does exist <g - I never claimed logic as one of my virtues> then it would, for me, be the 52 episodes and nothing else. Not radio plays 2 decades later, not a film that hasnt been made yet. But thats my preregotive, and I dont expect anyone else to live by it :) Character assassination - again, a personal thing, and as I insist on the right to see it where I choose I would not deny it of someone else. Evil Blake is _far_ more so to me than gay Avon; the worst cases _for me_ in fanfic are both in gen stories, Ana Dorfstads PGP in Enarre (both of My Darlings) and Cally in any of Susan Matthews' tales. Other people swear by these instead of at them, and find the characters true to the series, as is their right. OTOH, the most truthful - again, for me - is The Road to Hell (gen) but closely followed by Bryn Lantry (Mender of Bad Souls, To Hell Among the Rogues, Fealty - all slash). Quality of writing and of characterisation is spread widely over gen, het and slash, and in my reading experience, no one type has predominance. When all is said and done, we're into the series for what we each get out of it; were I to see it like Neil, Fiona, Kathryn, Carol ... anyone else, I possibly wouldnt enjoy it, because I aint them and arent looking for the same things. And vice versa. So lets all let everyone enjoy it exactly how they want, and hope to be allowed the same in return. Signoing off fron Pqris ... Sally _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] free lunches
by Neil Faulkner 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

From: Sandra Kisner <sjk3(a)admin.is.cornell.edu> > I thought tanstaafl was Heinlein. No? Yes. You're absolutely right (he said, having just checked the quiz at the back of Ghastly Beyond Belief: The Science Fiction and Fantasy Book of Quotations). The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. Must have got it mixed up with tanj (there ain't no justice) which I'm pretty sure was Niven. Neil

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