Blakes7 June 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: 20 Moments When You Know That You Are Watching Pure 70's Cheese
by Sally Manton 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

Stephen gave us: <JARRIERE: It was no' the violence Madam President. It was the wall tiles. That shade of pink, it's so last year. SERVALAN: It's an old wall Jarriere, it waits, I hope you die before you reach it.> <groan> You know, I'm beginning to think I could even look forward to the telemovie if they hired a few of our people as script consultants ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Gambit
by Steve Rogerson 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

Thought there should be more Jarriere (just getting that one in before Harriet). -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Avon & Nebrox
by Sally Manton 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

After I wrote: <I'm reminded of the notion of Avon's Aged Aunts again :-) though one finds it hard to think that any of them, being Avons, would be frail and helpless - more like terrifying old battleaxes.> Marian asked: <I haven't heard of that notion before. Is it something like Bertie Wooster's aunts? Sounds great fun.> <grin> I *think* it came from a flight of fancy about his background, (or maybe why he is called by his surname by his brother *and* lover) and was a suggestion that he was brought up by a heap of terrifying elderly relatives, like Wooster's Aunt Dahlia and Diana from 'Waiting for God'. Helen's suggestion of the woman from The Weakest Link is good [though having seen the English one and the Australian (Cornelia Frances), I have to say the Aussie one's more venomous, IMO, would make a lovely Aunt Avon]. I do think it's a pity we never met any of Vila's relatives, the Doolittle-Fagin descendents. Though (to be serious for a minute) think of what we learn from him of his background (prison at an early age, having his head adjusted three times, which indicates a series of arrests followed by spells of incorrigibly larcenous freedom) and his nature (actually more self-centred if less ruthless than Avon, there is really *no one* that we know of who Vila will put ahead of himself, no one at all; his self-deprecation and humour tend to obscure that fact, methinks). Would anyone agree that it could support the idea that there *is* no Restal clan, that in fact Vila's been very much on his own since childhood, and therefore never learned to care as much about another more than he does about himself? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Duel
by Natasa Tucev 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Judith wrote: > >Which is unlike his behaviour in Cygnus Alpha. He refused to hand Liberator to >VArgas in spite of threats - though he did feel that the convicts had some >control over their own fate. If they refused to sieze the opportunity, then he >wasn't going to let that stop him. Yes, I think Cygnus Alpha is a very good example. Vargas's threat is basically the same as Raiker's: Unless you yield, your friends will die. In 'Space Fall', Blake has to surrender because there are no other options. When Avon's nagging, he replies, "I'll try and do better next time". Cygnus Alpha is the "next time". >I don't believe that having the moral high ground means you will always win. >That's one of the reasons why I'm a B7 fan. Being brave and noble is fine, but in the universe of B7 and with enemies such as Servalan it obviously doesn't suffice. This is why I appreciate stories such as Sondra Sweigman's "Choice", in which Blake has to do much more than just "sacrifice himself heroically" in order to save Avon. N.

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Re: [B7L] Aunts - was Avon & Nebrox
by Sally Manton 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Judith wrote: <Just think of Tarrant in 'Arsenic and Old Lace'... He'd be perfect.> Oh, yes!!!! That's an inspired idea, thank you!! (Now does anyone want to try a B7/Arsenic crossover? Pretty?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Avon & Nebrox
by Sally Manton 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Ellynne wrote: <Avon is stuck with Nebrox, his adopted grandfather.> and Andrew: <Tom Baker once suggested that the Doctor should have a frail old lady as a companion, because it would add to the drama and tension. She'd be hobbling away from the Daleks, for example, unable to move too quickly, and of course the Doctor would be unable to abandon her.> I'm reminded of the notion of Avon's Aged Aunts again :-) though one finds it hard to think that any of them, being Avons, would be frail and helpless - more like terrifying old battleaxes. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Question about Gambit
by Nic Mayer 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Admittedly its taken me three days to thinnk about Gambit (which I saw on Saturday - I've only got 5 episodes of series 2 left to go now). Anyway, apart from the fact that I didn't know what was going on half the time, I liked the Avon and Vila bits. The thing that got was that Avon and Vila tricked Orac into reducing his size, they didn't come out and just tell him what they were planning to do. But how then did they convince him to tell them the numbers for the Roulette Wheel? And Avon must have told him to play the speed chess very quickly, as Vila can't have had much time to stall. It just seems a bit odd to me. And I can't help thinking, what can they have said to Orac to persuade him to do it? And more importantly, not tell anyone anything of what went on later. I loved Servalan's dress in the episode. I think its the first time she's worn something that isn't white. Nic General (USMC) - Danny's Girls www.paranoidangel.freeserve.co.uk Men!...You can't live with them, and you can't bury them in a shallow grave without breaking your nails.

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Re: Wobblevision Gambit
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

I love Servalan's dress. The use of the windowpane for the ruff/collar... astounds me.

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Re: Avon's Aunts
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Actually, my first impression on seeing The Weakest Link for the first time was: so *that's* one of Avon's Aunts.

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Re: [B7L] Gambit
by Sally Manton 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Ellynne wrote: <Suddenly imagining the Federation pushing Servalan dolls after she became president.> Which had *me* imagining Rebel Scum Ltd running a brand-new line in 'Fearless Leader and his Heroic Crew' Action Figures (well, the revolution needs money, doesn't it?) Complete with wardrobes to rival Barbie's, tiny haircurler-guns, and a range of pithy recorded insults. And a half-inch size rat-in-a-box that lights up (batteries not included). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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