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Re: Sun Makers on Video
by Steve Rogerson 07 May '01

07 May '01

Jacqui asked: "When are 'they' reissuing The Two Doctors and Dr Who & the Silurians?" I haven't heard of any plans, but both sometimes turn up at collectors marts. For those who don't know, these have appearances by Jacqueline Pearce and Paul Darrow respectively. Paul Darrow also appeared in Dr Who episode Timelash, which was released on vid not that long ago. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #393 - 14 msgs
by Helen Krummenacker 07 May '01

07 May '01

> Jacqui wrote: > > > >How come Vila's 'friend' in 'Moloch' didn't have a limiter when he > was far > >more dangerous than Gan? > > Because Gan was far more dangerous than Vila's friend in 'Moloch'. > That's > the simple answer :-). > > Jenny > > Ack! I shall defend my Oak Leaves (actually, was never awarded any despite thinking Gan's a slendid chap and arguing that Avon teaching him about computers shows that snarky comments aside, the Snarly One thought Gan showed potential as a student) by amending that: Gan was far more dangerous TO THE FEDERATION. What do they care if the guy in Moloch rapes and harms the few women that are to be found on a prison planet? They are only there because they are criminals. He has a mad on at half the species, but he's also basically a coward and won't be attacking women with rank and status. Gan, on the other hand, specifically killed a Federation trooper with his bare hands. They assume his anger will apply to anyone in the same uniform, or worse, with the same alligence. He is therefore a danger to the Federation and must be quelled.

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Re: the Space Monopoly game
by Helen Krummenacker 07 May '01

07 May '01

> Betty listed a good scene: 2) "Dawn of the Gods": The monopoly game at the beginning. Yeah, I > know, it's kinda goofy, and I'm sure some people hate it, but it does > several things for me: a) it's extremely amusing, IMHO, especially > Orac > getting sulky about abandoning the game, b) it's just so *nice* -- and > such a rare thing -- to see them all relaxing and having fun together, > and c) it provides a tiny glimpse of the Amoral Manipulative Orac I've > always suspected lies beneath that calm perspex exterior. > You forgot the fact it was an element of realism; after all, people travelling aren't having a crisis every minute. Realistically, they will have a lot of time on their hands and need ways to amuse themselves. On the other hand-- was it one of those things they found on board, or did one of them purchase or steal it? Maybe that's what Vila gave Avon for Christmas.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Sally Manton 07 May '01

07 May '01

After I wrote: <Again, fair enough, I concede to your experience. I only suggested GT because [a] it's on record that he changed a line and *very* much for the better in 'Horizon'> Leslie queried: <What was the line? (This is becoming my catchphrase:))> When Avon almost shoots him, Blake was scripted to say: "You never could tell your friends from your enemies,". Instead, we get the one word "Missed". And back to the end of The End ... <If Blake, then I think people are making the mistake here of trying to the map the first draft lines onto what we saw on screen. <snip> But what if the scene was more in the style of Anna Grant's death, which really is a typical western "death bed confession" theme. > <g> Like the old joke about opera - it's where someone is stabbed and instead of bleeding, they sing ... But the line dropped from 'Blake' would still sound just as silly, IMHO *only,* coming from him (notwithstanding the fact that I think Gareth is one of the best actors on the show). He just *doesn't* talk like that :-) And RoD: <This is one instance where Boucher did slip up by actually misquoting Mark Twain. The original quote was "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." Unless, that is, someone out there knows better:)> Couldn't tell you right now (I'm at work, and all my books are at home) but it wouldn't have worked any better for me had it been correctly quoted. That wasn't what jarred for me - it was the contrived feeling, the of the lines, both for Avon and Tarrant. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Leslie Clifford 07 May '01

07 May '01

On Sun, 06 May 2001, "Sally Manton" wrote: > > Leslie wrote: > <From what I know about production-line television, a read through with the > cast would involve the camera ready script. Not a script typed up by Chris's > wife!> > > Again, fair enough, I concede to your experience. I only suggested GT > because [a] it's on record that he changed a line and *very* much for the > better in 'Horizon' What was the line? (This is becoming my catchphrase:)) >it was fun imagining someone *trying* to say the l>ine and cracking up till it was dumped. Is this a reference to Horizon or Blake? If Blake, then I think people are making the mistake here of trying to the map the first draft lines onto what we saw on screen. Unless someone comes forward and tells us what the whole of the original scene was, we can't really make a judgement on how it would have been staged. Certainly the idea of Avon shooting Blake three times and then Blake grabbing hold of Avon and saying all that, before dropping down dead, does sound a bit ridiculous. But what if the scene was more in the style of Anna Grant's death, which really is a typical western "death bed confession" theme. > <Certainly, leaving my professional experience aside, from my involvement > with Fanderson, when actors start getting script approval, disaster ensues.> > > But it did happen occasionally on B7 - on the 'Blake's back' tapes, Stephen > Grief and Chris Boucher himself confirm it (the latter, not surprisingly, > with disapproval :-)) There is a difference between an actor suggesting a line and an actor having script approval. Script approval means exactly what it says. An actor has it written into their contract that they can veto stuff and rewrite stuff they don't like. On Space 1999 this resulted in Barbara Bain insisting that she was always shot in soft focus, and that both she and her husband, Martin Landau, got a certain number of close-ups per episode, and always got the last scene together. Basically, lots of ego stuff... > Personally, though I think RoD is chock-full of great writing, it IMO > contains one of his other rare duds, in the last three lines, which strain > too hard for effect. *Those* ones not only got into the filmed version, they > were used for the title (obviously, a lot of people disagree with me on this point). This is one instance where Boucher did slip up by actually misquoting Mark Twain. The original quote was "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." Unless, that is, someone out there knows better:) Leslie

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Re: [B7L] No changes, please ...
by J MacQueen 07 May '01

07 May '01

>From: Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> >(In deference to Joanne, I won't mention the one thing that makes >Deathwatch worth viewing ... ) Very wise -- I'm in a mean mood this Monday morning (my bathroom drainpipes are blocking up). It wouldn't take much to start me comparing The Garment Being Referred To to sewage. Regards Joanne (off to ring the real estate agent, to find out exactly who gets to solve this charming conundrum) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Terminal (was: moloch/limiters)
by Jenny Kaye 07 May '01

07 May '01

Sally wrote about 'Terminal': >Servalan is IMO talking absolute rubbish, and if Avon wasn't in a state of >shock from the 'Blake is dead' bit, he'd have probably taken some >pleasure in pointing this out. What do you think he would have said? (The links are the one thing about >Terminal >that really annoys me, they're both idiotic They are not very well realized. But's that BBC production at fault. (IMHO-only) and >completely >unnecessary to the episode). I don't agree. They are crucial to the underlying subtext of Terminal. Want to discuss it? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Jenny Kaye 06 May '01

06 May '01

Sally wrote: >Interestingly, there seems (from what I've read/heard) to be some confusion >over exactly *whose* idea it was for Avon to step protectively over Blake's >body three minutes later - Jenny, you've got a camera script, is it in >there? Yes it is there. On page 91 it states: AVON RAISES GUN & AIMS STEPS OVER BLAKE. LOOKS DOWN PISTOL INTO CAM. SMILES. Then at the bottom of the page: Gun into foreground. Hold steady shot. HOLD FOR FREEZE FRAME. He smiles. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Re: demption
by Neil Faulkner 06 May '01

06 May '01

Hi Fiona You've caught me on a weekend again, so I won't be able to start replying until early next week (and there's a *lot* I want to say, about slash, fandom, cultural imperialism and foxes, though I'm not sure you'll like some of it). But for now: > If you think you do want to hear what I see in Redemption, e-mail back (a > clue: it all hinges on Orac, Orac's prediction, the Alta, the System and > something Avon says when he is looking at Orac's prediction on the screen > with Blake) Something to do with not going near cliffs? Yes, I would very much like to know what you see in Redemption, since I suspect it would be something I could never see for myself. We have very very different ways of looking at things. Neil

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Re: [B7L] moloch/limiters
by Jenny Kaye 06 May '01

06 May '01

Jacqui wrote: >How come Vila's 'friend' in 'Moloch' didn't have a limiter when he was far >more dangerous than Gan? Because Gan was far more dangerous than Vila's friend in 'Moloch'. That's the simple answer :-). Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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