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Re: [B7L] Dayna's family
by Marian de Haan 08 May '01

08 May '01

Ellynne wrote: >This would also give Dayna somewhat better reasons for her homicidal treatment of the neighbors and for her father's tolerance of it. If she was avenging foster-mother, fighting people who had murdered her foster-sister's family the same way her biological mother and family had been murdered, her actions make much more sense. So does what happened to Laran. If she was some kind of lost heir, she was a threat as long as she lived. Also, it kind of gives a new meaning to her rejoining her people.< Makes sense. It always seemed strange to me that they would kill her rather than force her into marriage. Marian

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Dayna's family
by Ellynne G. 08 May '01

08 May '01

Checking over the archive, I came across the subject of Laran's adoption into Dayna's family and whether she was a baby or child or whatever. I noticed an interesting fact. Dayna is skilled enough with her chosen weapons to deal successfully with multiples of the locals - armed, mounted locals. Furthermore, the weapons she uses require a high degree of training and skill - training I very much doubt her father had and that his partial blindness probably would have kept him from passing on even if he did. So, this suggests Dayna had contact with an adult who _was_ trained and skilled in those weapons - and she was much more likely to find one of those in the neighborhood than among whatever friends did or didn't come to visit. Odds are, this adult was either one of Laran's parents or a guardian of some sort. Anyone with anything like Dayna's weapons skill would be difficult to hold against his or her will (not to mention unlikely to foster good feeling between Dayna and Laran, or to teach Dayna anything useful). The most likely scenario is someone desperate enough to go to the weird aliens from Earth for help, someone with no place else to go. My guess would be either the survivor of a war between tribes or the survivor of some internal power struggle. Either way, Laran was a recognized heir of the losing group. Attempts were made to attack the Melanbys, with known results. Eventually, these were stopped, possibly with the help of a local bard or soothsayer type who managed to interpret a traditional prophecy or convincingly come up with a new one that presented what were felt to be a very unlikely set of circumstances as the sign that war should be resumed in earnest. This would also give Dayna somewhat better reasons for her homicidal treatment of the neighbors and for her father's tolerance of it. If she was avenging foster-mother, fighting people who had murdered her foster-sister's family the same way her biological mother and family had been murdered, her actions make much more sense. So does what happened to Laran. If she was some kind of lost heir, she was a threat as long as she lived. Also, it kind of gives a new meaning to her rejoining her people. It also makes me wonder whether Dayna wouldn't have counted as another heir, being Laran's adopted sister (I hate to leave a family revenge story hanging [er . . . unpleasant double meaning not intended]). Actually, suppose Dayna's mother was a _local_ (we probably have to presuppose Terran humans aged a little faster, since she looked a bit older than Laran). Given Terran prejudices, Melanby would be quick to tell Avon she was born on _Earth_ (a story Dayna might believe - although her question whether she _looked_ like the natives wasn't actually a denial). Whew, Dayna now has an excellent reason to survive GP, too many unresolved plot issues. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] The prodigal hath returned
by Sally Manton 08 May '01

08 May '01

Ellynne wrote: <Then, I got to thinking about it. Wow, I didn't know so many people _cared_. It really mattered to them what I thought and whether it was the same as what they thought. Gee, I never knew.> <grin> not at *all* a bad way to look at it. Welcome back ... I missed you. <I will repress the urge for a group hug.> I don't see why not. Anything that would drive Avon completely up the wall *has* to be a good thing ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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The prodigal hath returned
by Ellynne G. 08 May '01

08 May '01

I admit, I was a tad peeved when I jumped off the list a bit ago. Let's face it, things that, read a certain way, might be very hard to take as kindly intended were said (or typed, I suppose). Then, I got to thinking about it. Wow, I didn't know so many people _cared_. It really mattered to them what I thought and whether it was the same as what they thought. Gee, I never knew. (Sniff) OK, emotional control back online. I will repress the urge for a group hug. Enough said. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] The End (Was: Re: scripts and other ephemera)
by Sally Manton 08 May '01

08 May '01

<"David and/or Lesley McIntee" <master(a)allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> writes re The End: <The script doesn't specifically say, but I'd guess this was a directorial touch (and it could as easily be triumphant as protective...)> I haven't heard Mary Ridge on the point, but Chris Boucher and Paul Darrow have both said they saw it as protective. But of course, Playing the Game means I need to ignore *that* and so you get ... *Why* triumphant? Not just that I don't see it in his stance, but what has he got to triumph about in shooting Blake? If he cares about Blake (an assumption perhaps, but easily bolstered with lots of evidence from S1, S2 and Terminal), he's just shot an unarmed, innocent friend. If you believe he *doesn't* care about Blake, he's still just lost his base, his ship, his figurehead, his reason for shooting Blake (see below)*, his crew and is looking straight at his own death. Where would the triumph be in that? Avon didn't feel any triumph or even satisfaction over *Shrinker's* death, and treated Travis's (Star One) as a minor distraction from the more important matter of Blake being injured and the Star One base being about to blow up. I do think it's protective. This is hardly logical, but then, when his emotions get soooo out of his rigid control (as they do at the end of rumours, where he's less blanked-out by shock but actually, breifly suicidal) Avon doesn't act logically, and one of his most basic *instincts* always was to protect Blake. Sally * - Arlen has after all made it clear that whatever *was* going on with Blake (and remember, Avon actually hasn't the foggiest idea) it wasn't betrayal. My own belief is that Avon already realised that before Blake hit the floor and, in a state of complete shock over what he's done, doesn't even hear her, but then my belief is that Avon doesn't hear or see *anything* but Blake until the moment he raises his eyes and sees he's surrounded ... and even then is oblivious to what has happened with Arlen and his own people. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: links in Terminal
by Helen Krummenacker 07 May '01

07 May '01

Stephen said: They are indeed crucial to Nation's ending. The Federation is in tatters. Servalan is dead. Blake is dead. The Liberator has been destroyed. Jenna is mia. And in the long run it has all been for nothing. In the end it has all been for nothing as we are all going to evolve into links. Vanity, vanity, all is vanity. Oh, is that what they were about? I know I've seen the episode several times, and Servalan did state it clearly, but it seemed rather out of place in the whole story to me. I suppose I didn't feel the connection because, I never thought of it as anything other than just a badly conceived science experiment that showed one possiblity out of innumerable ones.

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["emma" <emmapeel@calvino.freeserve.co.uk>] favour?
by Calle Dybedahl 07 May '01

07 May '01

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Re: [B7L] No changes, please ...
by Sally Manton 07 May '01

07 May '01

Dana wrote: <Ahah--so that's why Avon hesitated so much about finding Blake.> Well, he *did* say he thought their deaths would be linked ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] scripts and other ephemera
by Jenny Kaye 07 May '01

07 May '01

Regarding the line: BLAKE: Oh Avon. I didn't take any of them on trust ... except you ... You are >my ... only friend.> Sally wrote: >From: "Sally Manton" > >But the line dropped from 'Blake' would still sound just as silly, IMHO >*only,* coming from him (notwithstanding the fact that I think Gareth is >one of the best actors on the show). He just *doesn't* talk like that>:-) > That's a good observation. Particularly the line "I didn't take any of them on trust", that sounds like something Avon would have said. Also Darrow in his recent interview on SF-UK said that Blake was Avon's only friend. Is it possible that these lines were written by Boucher because he wanted to draw a parallel between the two characters, or more believeably, he had drawn the parallel himself and was writing those lines as a prompt to get over what he wanted when it to came to discussing the script with the producer and the director. I think all fan writers may have done a similar thing in the past, "I can't work this scene out, this is what I have written, but it's not working, do you have any suggestions?" Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: scripts and other ephemera
by David and/or Lesley McIntee 07 May '01

07 May '01

> --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> > Interestingly, there seems (from what I've read/heard) to be some confusion > over exactly *whose* idea it was for Avon to step protectively over Blake's > body three minutes later - Jenny, you've got a camera script, is it in > there? The script doesn't specifically say, but I'd guess this was a directorial touch (and it could as easily be triumphant as protective...)

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