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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by Ashton7＠aol.com 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/25/01 6:12:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, littles(a)lycos.co.uk writes: << I suggest you read my exchange of e-mails with Carol. To sum up: she is the president of a B7 fan-club called Horizon, and is well-known for having said in a memo which reached a wider audience than intended that she hated slash and intended to start a crusade against it-- for instance by not advertising conventions (such as Redemption, incidentally) at which slash is known to be sold. I'm told she *is* on the list but she doesn't post, or at least not under her own name. >> Well, thanks, Shane, but I know very well who Diane Gies is. In fact, I've "known" her for 10 or 15 years. That wasn't my question to you. My question was why you suddenly accused me of mistaking you for her in a conversation that had nothing to do with her (or with slash, for that matter). Annie

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redemption
by Alison Page 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Right. So this redemption thing. Attributes of B7 fans, including the stupid ones who don't agree with me: - Bravery. As Napoleon said 'La courage de deux heurs de la matin, la courage de l'improviste'. If anyone wasn't scared I suppose that's brave too, but I guess most were as scared as me, in which case, very brave indeed. - Creativity. This really hardly needs to be explained further. All the art forms, and the proliferation of art forms. - Generosity. People giving out in lots of different ways. If people think I didn't notice well I did. - Perhaps the definitive attribute of B7, B7 fans, and perhaps all fandom. What is the word for it. Being prepared to forget about being cool, and about what is appropriate or stylish. But through this route to be in some strange way highly stylish and cool. Shaky sets and dodgy bodies irregardless. Alison

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Tavia Chalcraft 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Annie wrote, and several others have put similar views: >Maybe I also don't want to have my motives for liking certain >types of fan fiction examined and I certainly don't particularly >care to be *told* why I like something and what that something >"is" (in complete disagreement to my own stated preferences >and what *I* believe that something "is"). My immediate thoughts on this thread were along the lines of analytical types (such as myself) simply can't help analysing things, it is our natural way of working. Speaking as such a type, I would consider the main difficulty comes when it comes over as if one is analysing a trait one considers inferior in some fashion (whether or not this is actually in the minds of those doing the analysing). However, although I'm a great analyser and categoriser of most things, I personally find such systems don't work well for complex items, such as fanfic (or people). In particular, and I know I'm in a minority here, I dislike the categorisation of fanfic into subgenres such as h/c. It seems to me that if one can accurately pigeonhole a piece of fiction into something relatively tightly defined, such as h/c, then the story must be unoriginal. Or, to put it another way, if I like a story, then I tend to like it for what is different from other stories that I've read, not what is similar (or identical). I also agree that being a lab rat isn't very comfortable. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Ashton7＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 2:28:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: << Not sure where, to be honest, but it was banned on its initial US release in the early 1980s-- the PBS station(s) showing it just started from Space Fall. Which information I have from Gareth Thomas, in case you want to know the source. >> Hmmm. I'm not sure why Gareth Thomas would think this. I was involved in B7 fandom well before it ever aired here in the US and when it *did* air, I was heavily involved in the fandom. I had people in two different parts of the country taping the series for me since it never did show locally here in Orlando. I never heard of an instance where the first episode wasn't shown. Has anyone else ever heard of this happening? I certainly got tapes from both sources starting with the first episode. Annie

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Re: [B7L] penguins
by J MacQueen 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

>From: Natasha Sykes <nat(a)imipak.demon.co.uk> >Presumable fairy penguins would waddle around your feet looking adorable >until you got confused and attempted to move forward. They don't waddle around your feet, they go for their burrows like a bat out of hell! At least that's what I remember from visiting Phillip Island when I was a small child. My brother, being even smaller, came close to being bowled over by a couple (this was before people had to be fenced off from them, presumably for their own safety, as much as that of the penguins). Fairy penguins are a danger to small children, because they don't want to look where they are going <smile> Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Neil wrote: > Perhaps if you were h/c oriented and came into fandom to find it > dominated by cyberpunk fiction, then perhaps your curiosity would be > likewise piqued. Maybe, maybe not. My curiosity wouldn't have been piqued. I came into a fandom dominated by Avon fanfic. I didn't ask why or care why. I just went out and did my own thing: write Tarrant fanfic. > What I'm really asking, when I analyse h/c, is, "What makes me the odd one > out?" This is possible insight into why *I* don't understand the curiosity of those who aren't into h/c. I've been the odd one out so often that I'm quite comfortable there. It's where I expect to be. Carol Mc

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RE: [B7L] Rumours of Death - the rewrite
by Predatrix 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

<howl!> Wonderful! Just the image of The Little Rat, much as I love him, cowering from Our Favourite Curly Gnome is worth the price of admittance alone. Er, what *was* the price of admittance? Cheers, Pred'x (...who needed a laugh as is back in bloody Mundania again...)

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Ashton7＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 3:19:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcw(a)dallas.net writes: << That hardly equates to it being "banned in the US", but Gareth Thomas might not be aware that what one station does is not applicable to the rest of them. >> Or perhaps someone once told Gareth that it wasn't shown in their town and that they suspected it was "banned," and so on. It could be that the station skipped the show by accident or that the person misrembered or they missed the first showing and on and on. But, as Lisa says, that hardly equates to it being "banned in the US." Gareth is mistaken and maybe someone will think to ask him where he heard it the next time they see him. Annie

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FW: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Roberts, Patricia ＠ CSE 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Fiona Moore > wrote: > "Not sure where, to be honest, but it was banned on its initial US release in the early 1980s-- the PBS station(s) showing it just started from Space Fall. Which information I have from Gareth Thomas, in case you want to know the source." The initial US release was on the Philadelphia PBS station in 1985-86. IMO Gareth may be mistaken. Nothing was banned here. The series was run twice. The first time was five days a week, Monday-Friday. The second time was once a week for 52 weeks. Made it very easy to tape it twice. Now I have 3 copies, the first 2 off the air and the 3rd, the "professional" tapes. Pat

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Ashton7＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 2:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, padme(a)bantha.org writes: << I find it more plausible that the episode would be edited, but I haven't actually heard of that either. >> Nor have I. I think that's something (banning *or* editing) that would have been heavily discussed in the fandom at the time, especially since the fandom in America got very hot and heavy once the show was on PBS in major markets. Which begs the question: why does Gareth Thomas think that it *was* banned in America???? Annie

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