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Re: [B7L] Re: Books and Movies
by Mac4781＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

Dana wrote: > I think it's an interesting commentary that > one can watch all 52 episodes without being > able to say for sure what they use for books > --I think the typical fanfic solution is to > refer to "book placques" and/or "datacubes." > We know from canon that there are Walkman- > like objects for playing music. I've always considered the device we see Cally use in DEATH-WATCH to be the canonical book reader. It's when the others are at the convention and she's alone on Liberator, sitting on the flight deck reading from a device. The rehearsal script confirms that it was intended to be a book reader: "Cally is relaxing with a book-screen, or whatever seems appropriate to her." Carol Mc

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Thread hijacking
by Caveatemptor1＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

<< Fiona wrote: << Or, to sum it up, I have nothing against people talking about Avon Lust on Lysator (as I said before, I tend not to read these threads except by accident or if they're funny), but by the same token, if I want to say "Look, was that comment in the best of taste?" I don't want to be accused of running the Ministry of Truth. >> I've been on this list a number of years now and (of course) others have been on longer than me. I don't think anyone will disagree that AVON LUST has been and still is a major part of the B7 fandom and isn't likely to go away. To the best of my knowledge it has always been an acceptable topic of discussion on lysator. What one person considers poor taste, another doesn't. But unless the comments are sexually explicit or definitely belong on FC, it's my opinion no one has the right to question whether it should be allowed. Just ignore it. Hopefully, we'll all remember to change subject headers suitably in the future. I stayed out of the Deliverance debate in the beginning because...I know me. I so totally disagreed with some comments and was so offended by other comments that I started wondering by what right they were posting this stuff. Then I realized, they had every right to post their opinion without me telling them I was offended or that it shouldn't be allowed. Courtney Off to ponder an interesting idea Peter gave me about Tarriel cells.

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Re: [B7L] Pardon my ignorance, but...
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/23/01 5:20:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, sweigman(a)world.std.com writes: << In following the h/c/S&M discussion, I've encountered the following 3 expressions: "gay-dar", "S&M-dar", "lesbian-dar." I know what gay, lesbian and S&M mean--but what, pray tell, is "dar"? >> Some folks claim (either humorously or otherwise) that they can detect whether or not an individual is gay. They refer to this ability as their "gay-dar", short for gay-radar. By extension, S&M-dar would be short for S&M radar and lesbian-dar short for lesbian radar. The last two are new to me, but logical. Now excuse me...my breakfast-dar just went off. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Thread hijacking (was Re: Sally-speak)
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/23/01 4:17:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: << rom: Fiona Moore <nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > frankly, you don't have a > > right to. If you want to have *private* > > conversations "over in the corner", > > then why are you posting them on a huge mailing > > list? <drily> By the same token, then, one might ask why people post lecherous remarks about Avon... >> Nuh-uh. What was proposed was that anyone wishing to hold *their own* relatively private side-discussion take it elsewhere to keep others from intruding. What you implied was that anyone wishing to hold forth on a topic that *someone else* considers inappropriate take it elsewhere. One is a voluntary desire by those conducting the thread. The other is a wish for a thread to go elsewhere, by an outsider to the thread. Big difference. Leah

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Re: Fw: [B7L] Chemistry
by Mac4781＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

Sally wrote: > As anyone on FC will confirm, I'm actually of the opinion that the entire > crew were celibate for the entire 4 years (with the exceptions of Vila in > 'City' and Tarrant in 'Sand'). As the resident "Tarrant watcher," I would like to add that everything suggests he also got nookie in "Warlord." Sneaking in an aside, Marian, thanks for the reminder about the book viewer in "Sarcophagus." I thought there was another reference (besides Death-Watch) but my memory wouldn't call it up. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Question
by Mac4781＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

Shane wrote: > Diane has everything to do with it, as she has a very well-known policy > against slash, Whatever Diane's policy is (and I'm not going to speak for her), it has nothing to do with the thread. Annie was only asking about *your* statement and *your* policy. For someone who didn't like it when Wendy's words were twisted, you seem to have no problem culling up another fan and speaking for her. Which is what particularly disappointed me in your statement. Carol Mc

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Re: Gay Subtexts
by Fiona Moore 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

----- Original Message ----- From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia(a)btinternet.com> To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally-speak > Fiona: > >I once asked him if he saw any of the gay subtext in > >B7 which many fans say they do. He replied that > >he detected no sexual tension *at all* between Blake and Avon. > >Now,before you say "but the actors weren't gay, so of course > >he didn't," this doesn't always read. > > This could of course be bad acting. I detected no sexual (or any other) > tension between Anna and Avon, but put that down to poor acting or at least > uninspired casting. It could :). But the thing is, it's conveyed in other ways. Avon is seen in bed with Anna. They talk about love. They embrace when they meet. He cradles her in his arms. She says "When I was with you I was always Anna." I think you'd have to work hard to deny that there's an implied hetero/sexual relationship between Avon and Anna. My gay friend is, I think, just as attuned to behavioural cues as to "Chemistry," and still didn't see any way of reading B and A's relationship as sexual, even taking the "bad acting" argument into account (which I don't see. PD and GT are at *least* as good actors as Scott Fredericks, who as I've said successfully pulled off playing a character as bisexual despite being straight). Possible counterargument: "But you can't just come out and show two men in bed in 1970s TV!" Yes, but there are other ways of doing it which make it clear that the relationship between the men is sexual. Egrorian calls Pinter his "golden-haired stripling" and tells about how they ran away together. Krantor langorously offers Toise an--aphrodisiac--pateki-cake. In another series, Willow and Tara hold hands, are seen moving into a flat together (while Tara complains that she thinks Willow's friends are uncomfortable about them living together) and the sexual subtext of the scenes where they cast spells are pretty obvious-- you don't have to have lesbian-dar of any sort to realise what is being implied. My point is, if the writers/actors/whoever had intended the characters to read as gay/involved, they could have done so. But they didn't. Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Available for public perusal at http://nyder.r67.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [B7L] WARNING: Discussion about slash (was Re: The Gospel)
by Betty Ragan 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: > Thanks for that, Betty. I really appreciated your > honest, thoughtful and intelligent post. Whew! <Wiping of sweat from brow> :) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Question (was Sally-speak)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

Shane wrote: > Never said I wanted to change your mind. If you want to try to change mine, > feel free, but what you said goes double. I think you're confusing me with > Diane Gies. Diane had nothing to do with this thread. I find your comment to be in very poor taste. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Thread hijacking
by Ashton7＠aol.com 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/23/01 7:53:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: << No. But they've certainly come over all offended that some people might have considered one or two of the things they've said a bit in poor taste to post to a list of over 300 people worldwide... >> Well, was what they said against the rules of this list? And, if so, did the moderator (quite correctly), ask them not to do it again? No? Then, I ask you... who is in the wrong here? Yes? Then, it isn't a problem, is it, and presumably the moderator would correct anyone who did it again. Have I missed something? Are you, Fiona, the moderator of this list? Annie

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