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Re: Richard III [was Re: [B7L] Mary Sues]
by Marian de Haan 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Jacqui asked: >(But who would be Henry VII?)< Servalan. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #104 - 19 msgs
by Sally Manton 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Neil: <ObB7: I seem to be in a minority that actually liked Cally's red Saurian Major outfit. It makes her look chunky.> and Helen: <I liked it.> I did think it was one of her best. The ones that make her look (if such a thing is possible) thinner I find a little painful. I like her hair best in this early period too (before she tried to re-style it with a blowtorch in Redemption). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Tavia Chalcraft 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

And Avalon, of course.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Tavia Chalcraft 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: >It's a weird mix of sugary sentiment andterrifying cruelty. Um. It's a joke. >If somebody wrote about one of the girls >being sadistically tortured, there'd be an outcry. Well, apart from *three* torture scenes involving women I can think of in the series offhand (Cally in SLD, Jenna in Horizon, Kasabi in PP), not to mention that wall scene (RoD), there's an awful lot of fic involving Servalan torture. Though I wouldn't call her a girl to her face. (IFWY, I wouldn't call me a girl to my face.) Tavia

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #104 - 19 msgs
by Helen Krummenacker 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

> > ObB7: I seem to be in a minority that actually liked Cally's red Saurian > > Major outfit. It makes her look chunky. > Speaking as a chunky person myself, I wouldn't go that far--but I > think it's a little conspicuous for guerilla work. > I liked it. As for conspicuousness, well, it depends. In the dark, red is nearly as good as black for reflecting little light. And there wasn't much in the way of vegetation on the planet, it seems. So, if her group generally operated in red soil area and mostly went out to do raids at night... I'm stretching too far, aren't I?

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Marian de Haan 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Neil and Dana: >> ObB7: I seem to be in a minority that actually liked Cally's red Saurian Major outfit. It makes her look chunky.<< >Speaking as a chunky person myself, I wouldn't go that far--but I think it's a little conspicuous for guerilla work.< Inside the base, yes. Outside it makes her blend in with the red landscape very well. Marian (who also likes the outfit)

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Re: fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

> When I told a friend of mine that B7 fans have done things like making > up lists of all the clothes Avon wore in the series crossindexed by > episode, or trying to identify all the birds seen or heard in the > entire series, he just didn't believe me. > -- > Calle Reason 5 mundanes don't get into fandom-- when you describe anything we do, it tends to sound extremely pathetic. It's knowing the fans that makes it all worth while.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Neil wrote: well, quite a few things that could be true <g> except that I don't think the fact that they kill people gets me too tied up (if it did, I'd stop trying to say Avon would've killed even more if the other's had let him :-)). I *am* unabashedly sentimental (let no one think I'd deny it) if not very romantic or reverent. As I've said before, one of the things that appeals *most* to me about Blake's 7 is its sense of the ridiculous mixed in with the gloom and doom, and, having thought about it, I have noticed that my labels do appear *most* often when I'm discussing any aspect that *does* appeal to my own (the wardrobe room, the fact that Blake's got such an endearingly unenthusiastic set of rebels, the fact that the grim - they're fighting a hopelessly uneven and unwinnable fight - is mixed so beautifully with the fantastic - they're doing it in the flying equivalent of a five star hotel with a computer nanny and all!!! Also, you haven't heard the way I use words *normally*. 'Tis very much the same, I'm afraid (our own ittle bitty puddytat BTW has six names depending on how annoying she's being at the minute. Makes no difference, she only answers to 'dinner'). No I don't call the Boss My Darling but then he's neither as murderous or pretty as Avon. <Diminishing these crooks, killers and mercenaries into her 'darlings' and 'boys' gives her a measure of control over them, a quasi-maternal role in which she can frown on the less savoury antics of these naughty little children whilst still loving them for who they are.> <grin> you realise of course that I'm now wondering why Zen doesn't start calling them 'darlings'. And they ain't boys, even if they are younger than me. I grew out of heroic youngsters round about 10 years old. You do also realise all these brilliant deductions isn't going to change a thing about my posts. <Of course, if she was coming to Redemption this weekend I wouldn't say any of this, but I know she isn't so there's no chance of her beating me up.> Wouldn't dream of it anyway. I'm almost certainly shorter, fatter and more out of condition than you. I'll start calling *you* darling instead. Sally Who has now had her share of psychoanalysis for one month - even if part of it was self-induced - and thinks we should pick on someone else :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: birdsOddly, the Federation seemed to populate the galaxy with only European avifauna
by Helen Krummenacker 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Replying to my comments re: chickadees in the background > Yeah, not that I've ever been there but I could make some educated guesses. > But Americans should be able to recognise their own songbirds and think, > "Hey, this ain't Europe." Well, 1stly, Xena isn't filmed in America, so it wouldn't have our songbrds. More importantly, you mean Neil, the Great Birder, doesn't know that you British colonialists imported your birds who have been more or less taking over from the native songbirds? > Oddly, the Federation seemed to populate the galaxy with only European > avifauna Not oddly-- in keeping with history, as per above. (Our Jays won't be overwhelmed by any other birds, though.)

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Re: fandom and fannishness
by Harriet Monkhouse 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Neil expressed preference: >And not a trace of an American accent, which > I wouldn't be surprised if Xena's got. The peculiar thing is that she has to fake an American accent - the real Lucy Lawless sounds completely different (apart from being a New Zealander, her normal pitch is higher, though you can deduce that from her early appearances on Hercules, and she talks a lot faster). I may think it bizarre that she had to fake an American accent, but faking an ancient Greek one would have been even stranger. [No, I'm not sending this to the spinlist, Calle, I've already amalgamated three posts for economy and I can't be bothered splitting them again. And my evidence for saying she's a New Zealander not Australian was the radio interview last March in which she said "I am a Kiwi girl through and through - I am a product of this land" - the programme was about NZ.] Mistral replied to Dana and Helen: >>> second leads seem to have more fen than leads, >>>even though you're "supposed" to root for the lead. >> >> Is it because we, being imaginative, individualists, >>didn't 'fit in' when we were young and like characters >>who seem a little awkward sometimes? > >That would be my guess. We might wish we were heroes, >but we know we're really sidekick material I know in my case it goes back to the Flashing Blade, the French-language adventure story which was what they always showed in the school holidays in the late 1960s; my friend fancied the Chevalier de whatnot, I fancied his rather plain mate/manservant, who I think was called Guillot. It's possible that I did this in order to annoy her, or to leave the field free for her, or indeed just as a rebellion against the conventionally good-looking. But then you're not supposed to remember anything about the 1960s, so I will leave my motives in obscurity. Sally asked: >Is there anyone out there who *does* watch B7 >or another show at least partly (and large-part, >please) for one of the minor characters, with little >interest in the majors? Garak. Jarriet

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